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Xizor

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The Indian government has recognized the 1962 status quo as the lac. as shown by this image by the wire(the same outlet pravin sawhney writes for).
Maybe that wasn't the case in the 1970s, when Brig RJS served there. Or perhaps he is just mistaken as to the exact distance from pp14 to the lac.

However, it is the Indian gov. that determines where the LAC is. not Ajai Shukla. And for at least decades, India has recognized the 1962 status quo as the lac, which is also shown on google maps.
He patrolled it in 1979.

He clearly mentions that he went 5km in (into Galwan valley as perceived by India).
Read the article.

You are right!
Indian government decides the LAC not soldiers (current or retired). Good that we can settle on that.
 

lgnxz

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China retreated from the pp14 that had previously existed, for at least several decades. One person saying something different doesn't change the reality.

And even if you consider the lines further south, China withdrew from those as well.
Literally who cares dude? pp14 has never been permanently kept, only patrolled, so it doesn't change anything. In 1962 china voluntarily withdraws even further, dozen kilometers away from its LAC at the end of the war. Does your country consider 1962 to be a win for india?? Are you really this desperate for winning an argument when you can just admit that indian's ignorant attempt of changing the status quo has resulted in a complete failure?
 

twineedle

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He patrolled it in 1979.

He clearly mentions that he went 5km in (into Galwan valley as perceived by India).
Read the article.

You are right!
Indian government decides the LAC not soldiers (current or retired). Good that we can settle on that.
Another factor to consider is that in 1993, the agreement to maintain peace and tranquility along the lac was signed. As part of it, both sides agreed to limit transgressions along the de-facto lac(where China reached in 1962). So one possibilty is that perhaps Indian patrols stopped going beyond the bend since then.
 

Xizor

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China retreated from the pp14 that had previously existed, for at least several decades. One person saying something different doesn't change the reality.

And even if you consider the lines further south, China withdrew from those as well.

As per border disengagement agreement.
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China has a road that leads close to the "old" PP14. ( old PP14 =1 km from Y junction).

India and China agreed for Mutual disengagement with Y - junction as the LAC.

Its India's decision whether it can gulp down Y junction as the new PP14. It's good for China though.

Your reasoning as to why India did it ("Maybe because it is difficult to patrol" is very shoddy tho)
 

lgnxz

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This is the announcement made by Zhou Enlai at the ceasefire of 1962 war, marking the end of the war. From wikipedia:
Beginning from 21 November 1962, the Chinese frontier guards will cease fire along the entire Sino-Indian border. Beginning from 1 December 1962, the Chinese frontier guards will withdraw to positions 20 kilometres (12 miles) behind the line of actual control which existed between China and India on 7 November 1959. In the eastern sector, although the Chinese frontier guards have so far been fighting on Chinese territory north of the traditional customary line, they are prepared to withdraw from their present positions to the north of the illegal McMahon Line, and to withdraw twenty kilometres (12 miles) back from that line. In the middle and western sectors, the Chinese frontier guards will withdraw twenty kilometres (12 miles) from the line of actual control.
If this indian was in 1962, he would've been jumping happily like a maniac because duh.. China RETREATED kilometes away from its LAC!! INDIA WON! :D
 

Xizor

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Another factor to consider is that in 1993, the agreement to maintain peace and tranquility along the lac was signed. As part of it, both sides agreed to limit transgressions along the de-facto lac(where China reached in 1962). So one possibilty is that perhaps Indian patrols stopped going beyond the bend since then.
Partially True (one about 1993 agreement) but then you are speculating when you say China decided not to patrol after this agreement.

LAC has never been delineated,though.

Don't you think India should've revoked that "good gesture" that you claim happened (as part of 1993 agreement) should've been revoked during 2020? Has India permanently left claim to the LAC?

All this assuming India did offer that gesture of peace (speculations till we have any official documents saying so).
 

twineedle

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He patrolled it in 1979.

He clearly mentions that he went 5km in (into Galwan valley as perceived by India).
Read the article.

You are right!
Indian government decides the LAC not soldiers (current or retired). Good that we can settle on that.
You just proved my point. The distance between the mouth and the bend(the only pp14-there is no old and new pp14) is 5 km. For reference, the bridge India recently updated was built at the very beginning of the valley

Then again, RJS never mentioned this "new pp14," he just said that the lac is to the east of pp14. Which is obviously true, although the exact distance is debateable.
 

twineedle

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Partially True (one about 1993 agreement) but then you are speculating when you say China decided not to patrol after this agreement.

LAC has never been delineated,though.

Don't you think India should've revoked that "good gesture" that you claim happened (as part of 1993 agreement) should've been revoked during 2020? Has India permanently left claim to the LAC?

All this assuming India did offer that gesture of peace (speculations till we have any official documents saying so).
All I know is that for several decades, India has not claimed past the 1962 status quo, also knows as the de facto lac. This is clearly shown in google and in every indian media source, other than Ajai Shukla's vlog. I think it is possible that things were slightly different in Brig RJS: time

And no, the lac is exactly where it has been before 2020
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