Thanks. I thought actual footage of the fight had been uploaded, seems to be only a few seconds.
I saw a clip of chinese and Indian soldiers fighting for about 10 seconds, then the Indians running away. I take it that was from another incident?
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I saw a clip of chinese and Indian soldiers fighting for about 10 seconds, then the Indians running away. I take it that was from another incident?
Thanks for this. I take it both of those happened after the Galwan incident?
That's an interesting twitter account. It seems the Chinese are finally starting to take information warfare seriously.
Since this thread seems to be going on forever, I think it would be a good idea to summarise the clashes from the start from the Chinese POV and date these video releases. Wikipedia just seems to show the Indian account.
I believe it happened before the Galwan clash. After that incident both sides set up a buffer zone to prevent each other from fighting. As for Wikipedia is mostly Indians writing the page. You can clearly see who has been writing it on the history edit page.
Often I wish I had chinese sources to post here but what can I say ? The PLA is short on words and big on actions. They do stuff rather than talk or write about it.
Do check the sources on the Wikipedia (especially Indian side). Most of them are circular or poorly sourced.
The reason why I posted that article which I just remembered was because it is corroborated by the latest satellite pics of Gogra released a day ago. You can clearly see the Chinese posts are 15 km from India's gogra post, well behind the LAC.
And the article clearly shows both India and China's perception of the lac. With the exception of that bulge, the LAC in Gogra and hot springs is undisputed
that "big on actions" PLA failed to secure its new claim lines not only in Galwan and Pangong but also in Gogral
Oops, I forgot, satellite imagery is unreliable, only blogs by random and unreliable authors are allowed.
BTW, there has already been partial disengagement in Hot Springs back in June.
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Yes. It is if it is Dated.
and of course without good analysis backing it up. What is certainly does provide is material for Jai Hind / Bhakts like you to manufacture bedtime stories.
Your post doesn't prove anything other than what was claimed here -
This is from JULY
We are not talking about relative distances of posts here.
A forward deployment of PLA is there that has pushed 2-3 km into the territory and hasn't left.
The posts backing that PLA forward deployment is way back. Your assertion that Indian post is x km away is invalid under that.
As it stands right now, PLA has offered a mutual pull back of 1 km from the area. Effectively creating another Buffer zone, if at all it materializes, in what was previously an Indian possession.
So in essence, PLA pushed 3 km into territory and offered a mutual pull back of 1 km.
The situation hasn't changed much since July as per you own "satellite analyst" Twitter post.
I will get straight to the point here @twineedle
1. Has India managed to thwart PLA forward deployments from Gogra and HSprings regions?
2. You yourself mentioned that Indian posts are closer. Why hasn't India been able to push the PLA deployment with Indian posts nearby?
3. Has disengagement happened at the region? If so, under what terms? Till now, full disengagement hasn't happened. Talks about 1 km mutual disengagement is there discussed in the 10th commander level talks (which fell through).
1. Has India managed to thwart PLA forward deployments from Gogra and HSprings regions?
2. You yourself mentioned that Indian posts are closer. Why hasn't India been able to push the PLA deployment with Indian posts nearby?
3. Has disengagement happened at the region? If so, under what terms? Till now, full disengagement hasn't happened. Talks about 1 km mutual disengagement is there discussed in the 10th commander level talks (which fell through).
Yes. China will keep renewing its claim lines and keep pushing km by km. Decade after decade, newer claim lines will happen, patrol zones revisited, buffer zones created. Isnt that what Salami slicing is about?
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I literally posted a map showing that China hasn't violated Indian claims in the LAC, and
Look closely. This image exactly matches the map created by Bhijit Iyer nearly a year go. And Iyer used Google Earth. Are you saying Google got the Lac wrong? lol
Please provide conclusive evidence of Shukla's claims, beccause so far you have not been able to present any.
If anything, the satellite analyst implies that the standoff point occured on the Chinese side of the LAC>
I literaly posted a map of Indian and Chinese positions, and backed it up with a RECENT satellite image. And the only rebuttal you gave was a blog post by a discredited author citing "government sources" lol.
Look closely. This image exactly matches the map created by Bhijit Iyer nearly a year go. And Iyer used Google Earth. Are you saying Google got the Lac wrong? lol
Please provide conclusive evidence of Shukla's claims, beccause so far you have not been able to present any.
If anything, the satellite analyst implies that the standoff point occured on the Chinese side of the LAC>
1-2 Why would India escalate the situation by crossing the LAC(which it never disputed in the area) to try and attack Chinese posts of that sides? If anything you should be asking why the PLA failed to evict Indaian positions from areas within China's claim line.
Disengagement began in Got Springs aready began back in June.
Glad you are finally admitting China failed to change the LAC
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