Ladakh Flash Point


twineedle

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Ah the 'finger guy' troll. Thanks for your trolling. It means that my post have actually caused enough butthurt to warrant a troll visit.

I'll let you earn your rupees, since life must be hard for you when Superpower 2020 had passed India by. This is indeed an Indian victory! Look at what India had achieved:
1) India had surrendered 1000sqkm of Chinese land back to China. And India had agreed to China's territorial lines.
2) Indian Army ambushed a PLA negotiating party with a 10:1 advantage. They were victorious. The Indian Army got their assess kicked, colonel killed, and got a routing that would be legendary in 21st century war history.
3) On top of that, India surrendered the Kailash Range to sweeten the deal.

That's was a wonderful victory for India! By gifting China a victory that it wasn't even dreaming for decades. All without a major hot war.

Even Pravin Sawhney, your more respectable fellow Indian ex-military man agrees:


Let's all celebrate this great victory! Jai Hind! :cool:
Reality is not so kind to your delusions.
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Do you have any evidence for your claims? Because international media sources and satellite images are debunking your claims. But listne to idot conspiracy theorists like Pravin Sawhney to make you feel better.
 

twineedle

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Another article dated September 2013 exposing the fake claim by opposition psrties/analysts and Chinese and Pakistani fanboys that India lost any territory in Depsang in 2020.
This official document proved that Depsag was inaccessible long before Modi came to power:

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Yes some of land was lost before Modi came to power but since then not a single sq km was lost especially after recent Pangong disengagement taken in account.
As I have said, the depsang claims and claims of India retreating from finger 8(lol) are ways for some nationalists here to cope with the reality of CHina retreating and giving India exactly what it had wanted.
 
You should be asking yourself why China failed to secure its 1959 claim line in Galwan, and kick Indian soldiers out of the valley.
Obviously because Indians all ran like cowards and needed to be let off the hook so China can attend to more urgent, more American matters.
Isn't that why China violated the previously undisputed LAC?
Not at all, it is because of India's cowardly ambush that required a response and a lesson from China.
2. As for why media is allowed to "lie," that is how freedom of speech works. That is also why idiots like Ajai Shukla make up bs like 1000lm of land lost(which is hilariously quoted here) even though satellite imagery clearly disproves that.
Media rife with liars means freedom of speech? LOLOL This is exactly what I mean by Indians spinning everything into a positive for themselves to declare goals met.
Reality is not so kind to your delusions.
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Do you have any evidence for your claims? Because international media sources and satellite images are debunking your claims. But listne to idot conspiracy theorists like Pravin Sawhney to make you feel better.
Reality is not kind to Indians. Lost every engagement in a new humiliating way but have to spin them all into victories.
As I have said, the depsang claims and claims of India retreating from finger 8(lol) are ways for some nationalists here to cope with the reality of CHina retreating and giving India exactly what it had wanted.
Yup, first, you got the word right this time. "Give" India, because India cannot force/enforce, earn, or take anything. Secondly, that's exactly what India wanted in retrospect after analyzing what it might still salvage from its losses. That's the strategic interest that was preserved; it was never the initial intention of those who started this with the cowardly ambush.
 
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Xsizor

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No reason for wars when you can achieve your objectives in other ways. And the disengagement deal achieved all of India's strategic goals as a result of China's withdrawal from Pangong.
What were all of India's strategic goals? Did India publish them prior to the Ladakh conflict?

You keep repeating them like gospel.
2. As for why media is allowed to "lie," that is how freedom of speech works. That is also why idiots like Ajai Shukla make up bs like 1000lm of land lost(which is hilariously quoted here) even though satellite imagery clearly disproves that.
That's not how "freedom of speech" works. Let the Indian media say something that tarnish the image of Indian Army and see the consequences.(that ought to be freedom of speech too).


Satellite imagery disproves that? Really? Which one.

You are the one trying to insist that it's a win for India. Repeat it enough times you hope it becomes the truth?
Another article dated September 2013 exposing the fake claim by opposition psrties/analysts and Chinese and Pakistani fanboys that India lost any territory in Depsang in 2020.
This official document proved that Depsag was inaccessible long before Modi came to power:
Doesn't discredit the posts here made in response. Maybe covers Modi but fails to cover India and Indian Army.
Yes some of land was lost before Modi came to power
Great. So bhakts can indeed face reality. India lost land before, India loses land after.
 

Xsizor

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As I have said, the depsang claims and claims of India retreating from finger 8(lol) are ways for some nationalists here to cope with the reality of CHina retreating and giving India exactly what it had wanted.
Did India not "retreat" ?
Can India patrol? If India can patrol and China can't then it can be called a retreat.

China has never built permanent positions in the patrol zone prior to the conflict. In the real world, the Army that manages to build one during conflict is deemed strong. In the la la land of Jai Hind, it's a win if that army signs an agreement for "mutual disengagement".

You keep forgetting Kailash.

The two man Bhakt tag team here never fails to amuse with their mental and verbal gymnastics.
 

twineedle

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Did India not "retreat" ?
Can India patrol? If India can patrol and China can't then it can be called a retreat.

China has never built permanent positions in the patrol zone prior to the conflict. In the real world, the Army that manages to build one during conflict is deemed strong. In the la la land of Jai Hind, it's a win if that army signs an agreement for "mutual disengagement".

You keep forgetting Kailash.

The two man Bhakt tag team here never fails to amuse with their mental and verbal gymnastics.
Kailsah was simply a bargaining chip to get CHina to vacate Pangong. bTw, China disengaged from the South as well, which includes Black top and Helmet
 

Xsizor

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Kailsah was simply a bargaining chip to get CHina to vacate Pangong. bTw, China disengaged from the South as well, which includes Black top and Helmet
Indeed. Even though we disagree on how that chip came to be on India's hand. China gave India that chip as conflict was never its intention. India moved mechanized forces during the height of conflict with minimal Chinese opposition.

If India didn't get Kailash there wouldn't be any scope for "mutual" disengagement.

Should we say India retreated from Kailash? We should.
 

twineedle

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Because they know their sources are not credible, even their ambassadors admitted it when Global Times goofed by quoting an Indian tabloid. Their strategy is to repeat a lie enough times so that it could gain traction internationally.

Contrary to what they like to tell you, the Indian Army is not camera shy. When they captured some hills south of Pangong they release videos of themselves waving Indian flags almost immediately. But when they’ve captured PLA soldiers or severely routed PLA soldiers they are keeping those under wraps?
I think both sides agreed not to post videos of pictures. PLA hasn't released any of Indian prisoners from Galwan. There was that photo from Pangong, but I think that was released in response to the Indian video of a skirmish between Indian and PLA troops
 

longmarch

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No this can't be right. As I already said, China needs to know how to stand ground against salami slicing, or better yet, do reverse slicing, instead of initial constraint then big clash. The mentality have to change.

These soldiers from both sides didn't have to die. Hong Kong didn't have to descend into this huge pot, Cai Yingwen didn't have to go unchallenged in Taiwan. It's decades old failure of Chinese security apparatus. China is being pushed all over the place. The fact that 5 eyes use blatant lies to accuse China of doing genocide shows how the West look down on China's response, and how incompetent China has been in terms of psychological war and soft power.

What happened in ladakh is a direct result of what happened in Donglang. China behaved like a pushover at that time and this is the price you have to pay later on.

This just won't work. Stop saying this is not your priority. Stop rewarding your opponent. The moment you do it, you lost the psychological war and invite more attack. If you have a backyard and a neighbor infringed on it, are you going to say I show constraint to this neighbor but not that neighbor? It doesn't make any sense.

You have to stand your ground, each and every time. If you do that, you'll be able to minimize the total cost and avoid big conflict.
That's the only way. You are the bigger power, ultimately you are responsible for controlling the situation, calling your opponent stupid is useless, it only makes youself look stupid. always show your strength, show your big dick, show your best weapon, don't do stupid things to reward your opponent. You are not in a war to win them over for unification like in romance of three kingdoms, what the heck you are doing like trying to have a love affair, it doesn't make any sense.

Now, you can say, all this is part of China's plan to hide it's strength. Fine, but it's over now, you can't hide anymore. you are directly targeted now , don't behave like a pussy.

You have to change the doctrine. Stop show how much constraint you have, it only invite more push, until one day you are fed up. This is so so stupid.

On Xinjiang, you have to have friends speak for you. You have to be on the offensive. Right now asians are experiencing hate crimes unprecedented in recent history, why the heck you don't speak up for them.
 

Xsizor

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I think both sides agreed not to post videos of pictures. PLA hasn't released any of Indian prisoners from Galwan. There was that photo from Pangong, but I think that was released in response to the Indian video of a skirmish between Indian and PLA troops
Wrong. China didn't agree to do anything on the subject of "pictures and videos".

There are numerous images and videos of Indian forces in a not-so-admirable position against the Chinese.

China has released enough to warrant an equal response from India. None big enough till now.
 

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