Ladakh Flash Point


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According Chinese media, PLA did some soul searching on what they did wrong on Galwan valley. The reinforcement took almost 6 to 7 hours to arrived through transport vehicles. That's was just unacceptable.

Now corrective action plan has put forward, Z20 will be used the main vehicle for fast response.

Next time if the patrol guys discovered something they will have to immediately radio in for support. Z20 with reinforcement troops will be immediately dispatched.

中国公开“直20”列装高原一线,中国边防战术大变样
 

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siegecrossbow

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According Chinese media, PLA did some soul searching on what they did wrong on Galwan valley. The reinforcement took almost 6 to 7 hours to arrived through transport vehicles. That's was just unacceptable.

Now corrective action plan has put forward, Z20 will be used the main vehicle for fast response.

Next time if the patrol guys discovered something they will have to immediately radio in for support. Z20 with reinforcement troops will be immediately dispatched.

中国公开“直20”列装高原一线,中国边防战术大变样

There won’t be a next time. If they start stuff there will be artillery and air support. China is done playing with their childish games.
 

plawolf

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My problem with entire thing is that China yet again letting India off the hook. Subtle messaging sometimes more powerful than word by word communication because it forces people to dig up truth by themselves.

You see that tweet above, Indians rewarding that "Chinese looking" guy & above you have that photo of that guy trying to be hero.

By this time I expected dozens of meme coming out of China with English caption "unarmed, outnumbered, ambushed in middle of night - said the Indians " or "Indians - against one hero,in fight zero"

So far, nothing has been done to point out some factors that would've shaken their peoples & medias.
Chinese have standard and integrity, and don’t want to lower themselves to the pathetic gutter trash standards of Indian IT cell online trolls.

The only reason China is letting India off the hook here is because Indians lives are literally not worth the bullets to the Chinese.

China doesn’t want a situation where violence and deaths on the boarder become normalised, as would be the case if they just maintained control of their full claim, since the Indians will ceaselessly probe and push to try to get any bit of land they can.

With the disengagement agreement, the Indians need to stay well away from the Chinese positions, so China doesn’t need to get dragged into embarrassing fisty cuff brawls or pitched medieval style melee fights. Because even though Chinese disciple and skill meant they achieved a 5 to 1 kill ration in melee despite the Indian cowardly ambush, that’s still unacceptably high for the PLA since they can expect double or even triple digit kill ratios against the Indians in a stand up fight with all the PLA’s technological and logistical dominance.

As the PLA negotiators made clear to the Indians, the Chinese don’t want a fight with the Indians, but if the PLA is forced to fight, they will teach generational lessons, where they kick Indian butts so hard even their great grandchildren will still be butthurt, as was the case of 62. Despite all their bluster to the domestic Indian media, the Indian civilian and military leadership knows the real score, which is why they backed down and gave China what it wants rather than risk the absolute devastation they would receive from the PLA in a real fight.
 

Nobonita Barua

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Chinese have standard and integrity, and don’t want to lower themselves to the pathetic gutter trash standards of Indian IT cell online trolls.

The only reason China is letting India off the hook here is because Indians lives are literally not worth the bullets to the Chinese.
Fair enough.
But still, the audience aren't only Indians. It's whole world. China shouldn't miss chances to show those apes how worthless they are not only to china, but rest of the world they think they are going be part of.

No matter what, you can't point finger to broad daylight & say "it's midnight, trust me. We are democracy ".

If you can break your opposition mentally before smashing them physically, you should take that.

Chinese netizens should point these out & see how D10 buddies defend India.
 

siegecrossbow

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Silence of Indian Army has not been lost even on Taiwanese observers...

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Before any Indian members call foul about this being from a Pan-Blue media, keep in mind that the Pan Green 三立新闻 made two separate videos on a rumor that faulty Indian radars caused Armenia to lose the war against Azerbaijan. The Pan Green looks down on even the Koreans (North and South alike), imagine what they think of you.
 

Kakyan

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Silence of Indian Army has not been lost even on Taiwanese observers...
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Before any Indian members call foul about this being from a Pan-Blue media, keep in mind that the Pan Green 三立新闻 made two separate videos on a rumor that faulty Indian radars caused Armenia to lose the war against Azerbaijan. The Pan Green looks down on even the Koreans (North and South alike), imagine what they think of you.
That is fake as India began delivery of radars to Armenia only in January 2021:

 

twineedle

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@twineedle Ok OK OK, serious question, real talk: I understand how 600 armed Indians can lose in melee to 70 minutemen Chinese soldiers despite starting in an ambush. I get that; Indians are terrible at fighting, have no composure or strategy and are cowardly to boot so they had no chance against any real fighting force. Fine. But what I do not understand is how in Satan's rectum did they end up with awards for it?? As far as I know, that's a little extra retardation even for India, or am I giving India too much credit? So, did they lie and basically tell the story in reverse (like Chinese ambushed Indians with a 10X numeric advantage and were armed and Indians got a 5:1 kill ratio) all the way up so that the guys on top thought that it was actually true and thus awarded them medals for the bravery they exhibited in their alternate reality, or were they honest to their superiors and the Indian officials decided to award them the medals to make the Indian people think that their soldiers acted like heroes? Basically, when the Chinese video went public proving India had lied about everything, did everyone in New Delhi just bury their heads like the jig is up or did everyone give the death stare to their subordinate for lying and try to find out who it stemmed from? Do you know or can you find out? That'd be really interesting; thanks.
You should be asking yourself why China failed to secure its 1959 claim line in Galwan, and kick Indian soldiers out of the valley. Isn't that why China violated the previously undisputed LAC?
 

twineedle

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After all this, India has withdrawn from F8 to F3. China took up to F4 - China never had F4 to F8. After taking it, China was able to force india into withdrawing by leaving F4 to F8.

You need to understand that F4 to F8 was pure Chinese gain. Withdrawing from the gain to get Indian behind F3 while India wants F8 is more than a net Chinese gain.

India not only capitulated with this Pangong deal if you look at historic claims and offers. India also lost Kailash and India is still begging for Gogra, Hot springs, and Depsang positions which it claims. India did not live up to its word of reporting on these points within 2 days of Feb 14th.
When were Indians ever at f8? We ahve already debated about patrols, but it is clear that India had never built any permanent structure past FInger 3. THe only country that did was China. How can India retreat from land it never occupied? That is not how retreating works.
 

Kakyan

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Another article dated September 2013 exposing the fake claim by opposition psrties/analysts and Chinese and Pakistani fanboys that India lost any territory in Depsang in 2020.
This official document proved that Depsag was inaccessible long before Modi came to power:
Depsang bulge is now no longer accessible to Indian troops for years.
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Yes some of land was lost before Modi came to power but since then not a single sq km was lost especially after recent Pangong disengagement taken in account.
 

twineedle

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Why did Indian government release inaccurate and false info (they started with 5 IA deaths then 10 then so on until 20 then 20+ and then back to 20) so early and China waited until the situation reached agreement to release info?? Well I'll answer that. There is a clear difference between how the two government act. There is absolutely no proof that China is lying and if it is, the CCP doesn't dare to provide such a high profile lie any US intel could immediately prove.

Why doesn't US intel back India's nonsense about PLA losing more than 4 men? Why not if it can prove China and CCP a huge liar and embarrass it? Why not let official parties do the releasing of info and let official parties refute and challenge one another on the release of info they are providing?

Why did Indian officials let their media handlers spread lies on purpose about more than 4 PLA killed and never state it officially? China has used state media to report 20 IA deaths and "many captured". Why doesn't India find its backbone and provide official means to report and challenge one another and get the truth?

We know India lied about Su-35 shot by Taiwan, about F-16 being shot by Mig-21, about PLA graveyards using a Chinese documentary footage from 2011 and 2013, also lied about nothing happening, lied about PLA withdrew every few weeks for the first half of 2020.

Why should we trust India over China which till date has not been challenged on its words and has not been proven to have lied.

China the one that provided info that was so humiliating to India only after the situation was diminished.
1. When did Indian officials say 20+ soldiers die? Some reporters with actual contacts reported things as they happened. Initially only 5 casualties happened, then more as the night went on

2. As for why media is allowed to "lie," that is how freedom of speech works. That is also why idiots like Ajai Shukla make up bs like 1000lm of land lost(which is hilariously quoted here) even though satellite imagery clearly disproves that.


 

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