Ladakh Flash Point

jshw31 said:

I think that is a good deal for everyone, India wins in the Media and China wins in real life.

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LOL... India is the only country in the world who could kid itself with the media. This is the Jai Hind mentality.

After losing two jets to Pakistan in 2019. Indian media declares one mig 21 loss for the price of one F-16. So it's a 'victory' and Abhinandan is a national hero! Jai Hind!

After losing 20 Jawans, 1 SFF, and Aksai Chin to China. Indian media said Indian troops killed 100 Chinese troops. So its another 'victory' for India. Jai Hind!

India, like America and Israel is a nation that is addicted to war. Indian media acts more like a wartime media than a normal one. They are obsessed with presenting victories, no matter how insignificant or ludicrous. The Bhakts and Jai Hinds always love their warstories. Ex-military men and former ministers like to go on air to talk about India's greatness at warfare. But unlike US and Israel, India's military industrial complex is insignificant in the world stage. Less significant than even South Korea's. More importantly, India's military competence is nothing like the US and Israel.

If its not hot war, then India wants to get into a cold war. Who better than with China, the 'inferior' communist neighbour. Everything China does good. India must announce that India will also do it, and do it better. Everything China does poorly, India would laugh and humiliate China. Lastly, India must make sure to boycott everything Chinese. But yet again, India's incompetence gets exposed. It does not have the economy, innovation, and know-how to pull off this Cold War with China. But what matters to India is: Jai Hind!

India is obsessed with the slogan of 'Jai Hind'. As if everything it does is victory. When China and other successful East Asian do something, they prefer to shout 'Jia You', or 'Gambateh' which roughly means add more effort. Indians think about the victory endgame, while the Chinese and Japanese think about the journey to victory. The problem with'Jai Hind' is that if there is failure, that becomes 'victory' instead of "we need to do better". This is most probably why India continues to screw things up.

So when Jawan suffers from the cold in Ladakh. They scream 'Jai Hind!' and then it's now victory, not suffering. Then they probably wonder, if this is how victory looks like. When PLA troops suffer from the cold. They scream 'Jia You!'. Then they know its time to get to work.

Sardaukar20 said:

India, like America and Israel is a nation that is addicted to war. Indian media acts more like a wartime media than a normal one.

If its not hot war, then India wants to get into a cold war. Who better than with China, the 'inferior' communist neighbour. Everything China does good. India must announce that India will also do it, and do it better.

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India isn't addicted to war.
To put India on the same league as US is a bit much. US may be a country truly addicted to war through the greed of Military Industrial Complex and Corporations(even if the popular support for war has waxed and waned).

Israel isn't addicted to war. It's just that they have carved a niche of commerce out of the defence -security commitments they had to make out of desperation to carve out a nation.

What India has is loads of baggage that comes with the downfall in the prestige of its cultural identity.
Same could've been said for China of the bygone century but the talk today in town is how China is Back with a Bang.I'm very sure India and Indians would give anything to have half the accomplishments of China.

The average Indian jingoist grinds their teeth and tries to make fun of China whenever possible but when they see a resurgent China in news, they know that they want India to fill the stories as much as China.

There's no place in this world for a truly unhindered rise to Global Powerdom or Superpowerdom for any country.

Xsizor said:

India isn't addicted to war.
To put India on the same league as US is a bit much. US may be a country truly addicted to war through the greed of Military Industrial Complex and Corporations(even if the popular support for war has waxed and waned).

Israel isn't addicted to war. It's just that they have carved a niche of commerce out of the defence -security commitments they had to make out of desperation to carve out a nation.

What India has is loads of baggage that comes with the downfall in the prestige of its cultural identity.
Same could've been said for China of the bygone century but the talk today in town is how China is Back with a Bang.I'm very sure India and Indians would give anything to have half the accomplishments of China.

The average Indian jingoist grinds their teeth and tries to make fun of China whenever possible but when they see a resurgent China in news, they know that they want India to fill the stories as much as China.

There's no place in this world for a truly unhindered rise to Global Powerdom or Superpowerdom for any country.

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The US have an addiction to war long before the rise of the military industrial complexes. The US have only had 15 years of peace in its entire 200+ years of existence. That says it all.

Israel is addicted to war. If you've read the history of Zionism. Israel have always been grabbing Palestine and Arab lands since its foundation. The 6 day war and Yom Kippur war are one of the few examples of defensive wars by Israel. The rest like the Suez Crisis, War of Attrition, Invasions of Lebanon are all wars started by Israel. Usually with questionable casus belli like kidnapped IDF soldiers, or rockets landing into Israel. Till today, Israel continues to lob missiles and bombs into some Middle Eastern region. Be it Gaza or Damascus. So yes, they are addicted to war.

Now on to India. India have been waging wars and skirmishes non-stop since 1947. Everyday India is talking about some kinda military conflict. Whether it's Pakistan yesterday, or China today. When there are wars at other places, like Nagorno-Karabakh. Jai Hinds have to say something. Like support Armenia, because they hate Turkey. Indian media is always running in wartime mode. We all know how wartime media works. The theme must always be victory. The media make it seem like India is in a state of war. Every once in awhile we must hear about India having a fight with the Kashmiris, Pakistanis, or Chinese.

If India is indeed a not a warlike nation. Then the borders with Pakistan, and China would have been demarcated a long time ago. Instead, what we have right now is similar to the Golan Heights between Israel and Syria. A disputed border region that has its occasional flare ups. If India is stronger than China, it would most definitely be launching cross-border raids into China. Just as they have done with Pakistan.

Sardaukar20 said:

The US have an addiction to war long before the rise of the military industrial complexes. The US have only had 15 years of peace in its entire 200+ years of existence. That says it all.

Israel is addicted to war. If you've read the history of Zionism. Israel have always been grabbing Palestine and Arab lands since its foundation. The 6 day war and Yom Kippur war are one of the few examples of defensive wars by Israel. The rest like the Suez Crisis, War of Attrition, Invasions of Lebanon are all wars started by Israel. Usually with questionable casus belli like kidnapped IDF soldiers, or rockets landing into Israel. Till today, Israel continues to lob missiles and bombs into some Middle Eastern region. Be it Gaza or Damascus. So yes, they are addicted to war.

Now on to India. India have been waging wars and skirmishes non-stop since 1947. Everyday India is talking about some kinda military conflict. Whether it's Pakistan yesterday, or China today. When there are wars at other places, like Nagorno-Karabakh. Jai Hinds have to say something. Like support Armenia, because they hate Turkey. Indian media is always running in wartime mode. We all know how wartime media works. The theme must always be victory. The media make it seem like India is in a state of war. Every once in awhile we must hear about India having a fight with the Kashmiris, Pakistanis, or Chinese.

If India is indeed a not a warlike nation. Then the borders with Pakistan, and China would have been demarcated a long time ago. Instead, what we have right now is similar to the Golan Heights between Israel and Syria. A disputed border region that has its occasional flare ups. If India is stronger than China, it would most definitely be launching cross-border raids into China. Just as they have done with Pakistan.

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I would say it’s part of them trying to emulate their former masters.

You see a lot of pretentiousness among Indians here in the US acting like they’re better than the Chinese and Koreans. Always putting down/mocking/bullying fellow East Asians to impress the whites.

They think they look a bit more Aryan in terms of facial features and thus are better than East Asians.





My conclusion, Indians are peaceful to whites but not non whites.

localizer said:

I would say it’s part of them trying to emulate their former masters.

You see a lot of pretentiousness among Indians here in the US acting like they’re better than the Chinese and Koreans. Always putting down/mocking/bullying fellow East Asians to impress the whites.

They think they look a bit more Aryan in terms of facial features and thus are better than East Asians.





My conclusion, Indians are peaceful to whites but not non whites.

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Yes. Although every ethnicity have their own tinge of racism. Racism by Indians is actually quite significant. Not just that. With many Indians in the elite class today. Now there is even an added trait of arrogance.

This is more obvious in Indian communities in multi racial countries. When an Indian occupies a position of power in an MNC. Watch what happens to his department over time. He'll slowly fill it up with 'his people'.

Try receiving a call or an email from an Indian customer. I've got an email once from an Indian company affiliated with the Indian govt. It says that they've bought a product 9 years ago and they want compensation because surprise surprise, its broken down. His company's director also wrote a letter to demand this compensation. They insist they want this compensation or else, they are gonna complain to the Indian government. No kidding. This is all real.

jshw31 said:

I think that is a good deal for everyone, India wins in the Media and China wins in real life.

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I don't agree; allowing the Indians to believe they won merely invites further repetitions and attempts at Ladakh 2.0 and Doklam 3.0.

A decisive lesson must be taught to these Indians and history has proven that Indians only understand strength and after being defeated, these indians will become more pliant and worship Chinese people, as they did with the British and Macedonians and central asians in year prior.

hashtagpls said:

I don't agree; allowing the Indians to believe they won merely invites further repetitions and attempts at Ladakh 2.0 and Doklam 3.0.

A decisive lesson must be taught to these Indians and history has proven that Indians only understand strength and after being defeated, these indians will become more pliant and worship Chinese people, as they did with the British and Macedonians and central asians in year prior.

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Shouldn't teach them anything.. Better to let the Indians live in their delusions forever.

Sardaukar20 said:

Yes. Although every ethnicity have their own tinge of racism. Racism by Indians is actually quite significant. Not just that. With many Indians in the elite class today. Now there is even an added trait of arrogance.

This is more obvious in Indian communities in multi racial countries. When an Indian occupies a position of power in an MNC. Watch what happens to his department over time. He'll slowly fill it up with 'his people'.

Try receiving a call or an email from an Indian customer. I've got an email once from an Indian company affiliated with the Indian govt. It says that they've bought a product 9 years ago and they want compensation because surprise surprise, its broken down. His company's director also wrote a letter to demand this compensation. They insist they want this compensation or else, they are gonna complain to the Indian government. No kidding. This is all real.

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Having experienced the craven nature of indian customers, their cowardly bullying of service industry workers and unfounded arrogance, i would happily volunteer for any PLA sponsored foreign legion to kill Indians.

FangYuan said:

Shouldn't teach them anything.. Better to let the Indians live in their delusions forever.

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I'm convinced the Indians will join in any US anglo led war against China, which means a world war with nukes being used. The only war to ensure peace in asia is not just to depopulate the subcontinent but to also sterilise the remainder. At the very least, it would save the world from having to deal with arrogant, feckless, small minded indian customers.

EDIT: Every had to deal with a Karen? Indians as customers make Karens look like absolutely empathetic, compassionate saints.

Sardaukar20 said:

If India is indeed a not a warlike nation. Then the borders with Pakistan, and China would have been demarcated a long time ago. Instead, what we have right now is similar to the Golan Heights between Israel and Syria. A disputed border region that has its occasional flare ups. If India is stronger than China, it would most definitely be launching cross-border raids into China. Just as they have done with Pakistan.

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If the Indians really want peace, they will never use the "Forward Policy" to encroach on Chinese territory in the past. If the 1962 war didn't happen, now Bolywood would make a movie "the great victory of Nehru". Unfortunately for them it only happens in a parallel universe, in this universe the Indians try to play the victim card, many Indians created a new story called "China has betrayed India ".

FangYuan said:

If the Indians really want peace, they will never use the "Forward Policy" to encroach on Chinese territory in the past. If the 1962 war didn't happen, now Bolywood would make a movie "the great victory of Nehru". Unfortunately for them it only happens in a parallel universe, in this universe the Indians try to play the victim card, many Indians create a new story of how China betrays its friendship with India. .

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Suffice it to say, the indian national character demonstrates the stereotypical antisemitic trope of the the indian "crying out in pain as he strikes you".

It's like an environment of destitution and poverty and religious swindlers discovered being a bitch and being pathetic as being key survival traits via appealing to the gullible, therefore selecting for those traits which we now have today.

Whilst being a loquacious Karen might work for indians in getting free shit from sales and customer service, it's quite another thing entirely in the world of "war is politics by other means"