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For the life of me, what I don't understand from these hypernationalist Indians is their unfounded confidence in thinking and declaration that they can easily take on China on any war. Where are they basing this dumb, bat-shit crazy assumptions from? They tend to express brazen attitude of dismissive towards China's fighting prowess not to mention their superiority attitude that anything Chinese military hardware is worse than useless but goes on to super hype their untested, untried, over delayed indigenous military hardwares like it's the best in the world ex. Arjun tank, Tejas, brahmos missiles, air craft carrier etc..

They have assumed that beating (Pakistanis will dispute this word) in their past engagements from 1967, 72? 99 and their counter-guerilla battles with the maoists somehow is transferable against China/PLA of the 21st century. What's worse, the west led by the U.S. are feeding the enormous egos of these Jai Hinds (the same strategy and machinations they did to the Ukraine leadership) planting in their giant heads that they can take on China easy. We know the reasons why so that if the conflict between China and India starts and turn deadly the same P.R. can be invoked against China although it'll be tricky due to the area of conflict but nonetheless the west will crank up the noise volume, the hyper China threat to induce their already primed public to endorse, support whatever measure the U.S. can impose. Doing so would at least cause enough damage against China that can and will affect it's Taiwan reunification overall strategic objective.
India used to fear Pakistan due to USA diplomatic n military support to Pakistan. The rise of China made USA to accommodate India to contain China even naming asia-pacific to Indo-Pacific which bolstered the ego of jai hinds even parroting Hinducracy as Democracy. China should try to have half way relationship with India as it faces bigger challenge around Taiwan island. It should focus all it's strength towards USA provocation.
 

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For the life of me, what I don't understand from these hypernationalist Indians is their unfounded confidence in thinking and declaration that they can easily take on China on any war. Where are they basing this dumb, bat-shit crazy assumptions from? They tend to express brazen attitude of dismissive towards China's fighting prowess not to mention their superiority attitude that anything Chinese military hardware is worse than useless but goes on to super hype their untested, untried, over delayed indigenous military hardwares like it's the best in the world ex. Arjun tank, Tejas, brahmos missiles, air craft carrier etc..

They have assumed that beating (Pakistanis will dispute this word) in their past engagements from 1967, 72? 99 and their counter-guerilla battles with the maoists somehow is transferable against China/PLA of the 21st century. What's worse, the west led by the U.S. are feeding the enormous egos of these Jai Hinds (the same strategy and machinations they did to the Ukraine leadership) planting in their giant heads that they can take on China easy. We know the reasons why so that if the conflict between China and India starts and turn deadly the same P.R. can be invoked against China although it'll be tricky due to the area of conflict but nonetheless the west will crank up the noise volume, the hyper China threat to induce their already primed public to endorse, support whatever measure the U.S. can impose. Doing so would at least cause enough damage against China that can and will affect it's Taiwan reunification overall strategic objective.
Dunning-Kruger effect mixed with low IQ racism and their own passive-aggressive casteism turned outward a little.Bollywood doesn't help either.
 

SEAD

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Apparently they are using their own data (on unit formations, not sure on equipment though). We will see, they are at the preparatory stage.

And yes, CMO own database doesnt have good data about Chinese weapons. One of the biggest misses there is the PL-15. You can literally launch 50+ of them and only manage to hit 10 (if you are lucky) lol
I go back to CMO and now I’m sure that their China database is as terrible as usual. You can tell DFI: any simulation based on raw database is nothing but garbage in garbage out, fix them firstly if they are really serious about the simulation.
Their ‘JF-17’ is so similar to MiG-21…Avionics of ‘J-10’ looks like a F-16 in 1995. HHQ-9 cannot automatically work, hmm…
 
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Abominable

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India used to fear Pakistan due to USA diplomatic n military support to Pakistan. The rise of China made USA to accommodate India to contain China even naming asia-pacific to Indo-Pacific which bolstered the ego of jai hinds even parroting Hinducracy as Democracy. China should try to have half way relationship with India as it faces bigger challenge around Taiwan island. It should focus all it's strength towards USA provocation.
The problem with this sort of appeasement is that Indians will see it as a victory, and continue provocation. It's also assuming India even wants a friendly relationship with China.
 

Sardaukar20

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For the life of me, what I don't understand from these hypernationalist Indians is their unfounded confidence in thinking and declaration that they can easily take on China on any war. Where are they basing this dumb, bat-shit crazy assumptions from? They tend to express brazen attitude of dismissive towards China's fighting prowess not to mention their superiority attitude that anything Chinese military hardware is worse than useless but goes on to super hype their untested, untried, over delayed indigenous military hardwares like it's the best in the world ex. Arjun tank, Tejas, brahmos missiles, air craft carrier etc..

They have assumed that beating (Pakistanis will dispute this word) in their past engagements from 1967, 72? 99 and their counter-guerilla battles with the maoists somehow is transferable against China/PLA of the 21st century. What's worse, the west led by the U.S. are feeding the enormous egos of these Jai Hinds (the same strategy and machinations they did to the Ukraine leadership) planting in their giant heads that they can take on China easy. We know the reasons why so that if the conflict between China and India starts and turn deadly the same P.R. can be invoked against China although it'll be tricky due to the area of conflict but nonetheless the west will crank up the noise volume, the hyper China threat to induce their already primed public to endorse, support whatever measure the U.S. can impose. Doing so would at least cause enough damage against China that can and will affect it's Taiwan reunification overall strategic objective.
It's hard to pin down whether Indian hypernationalism aka 'Jai Hind + hindutva ideology' is a coping mechanism, pure arrogance, crude fascism, stupidity, Kruger-Dunning Effect, or all of the above. India is it's own enigma.

What's clear is that Jai Hind + hindutva doesn't make India stronger. But its not harmless to others either. This Jai Hind ideology had resulted in the deaths of 4 PLA soldiers and much larger numbers of Pakistani soldiers in the last few years. Through the self-delusions of Jai Hind, the Indians thought that Covid was killing China in 2020. That convinced them to attempt taking Aksai Chin, slice by salami slice. Their Jai Hind ideology convinced their Jawans that PLA soldiers are pushovers. That created the clash at Pangong lake, and the deadly clash at Galwan.

I have observed how ethnic Indian criminals and thugs operate in Malaysia. They very much prefer to take on victims who were in weaker positions. Such as when outnumbered. They only bully, not take on the challenge of a fight. But when a fight occasionally takes an unexpected turn for the worse. They would always flee, leaving their beaten-up comrades behind. This is no different from what I had observed from Galwan. The Indian Jawans can only bully, not fight like real men.

Many recently have been too optimistic in mistakenly taking India's rebuke of the West vs Russia as signaling a shift in Indian policy. I always say this: "Never ever, ever trust the Indians". They are not friends of China, no matter how close they are to Russia. India still hates China vehemently. Just look at the Indian media. One day they slam the US in a tirade about colonialism. The next day, they celebrate a USN destroyer sailing through the Taiwan Straits.

That is why no matter how low of a threat the Indian military poses to China, it must never be ignored. The Indians will always jump on the next chance of kicking China when it's down. Apart from the border standoff, India joins practically every Western condemnation and boycott campaign against China. Sometimes, India takes them a step further. Such as the blanket banning of Chinese apps, and seizing $726 million from Xiaomi India. If the West realizes their wet dream of a PRC - Taiwan war, India will certainly be there to backstab China.
 
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Sardaukar20

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The problem with this sort of appeasement is that Indians will see it as a victory, and continue provocation. It's also assuming India even wants a friendly relationship with China.
That's right India doesn't take appeasement as compromise. India sees it as weakness. Up until 2020, China had made many compromises. But Indians view China as a pushover. Hopefully, this naivety from China ends in 2020.

India wants to be the sole superpower hegemon in South Asia, including Tibet. It wants China out of the way. Its a dumb dream, but that has always been their motive.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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That's right India doesn't take appeasement as compromise. India sees it as weakness. Up until 2020, China had made many compromises. But Indians view China as a pushover. Hopefully, this naivety from China ends in 2020.

India wants to be the sole superpower hegemon in South Asia, including Tibet. It wants China out of the way. Its a dumb dream, but that has always been their motive.
Which is really unfortunate, sad, and it actually pissess me off because I don't like to see needless war or people dying for entirely avoidable reasons. And my concern is if China is provoked into unenviable position of being pushed to the point of the need to use force they might unleashed hell that will actually destroy the Indian psyche enough that it'll gladly accept American overtures (basing from American military) considering that Russian position by then will be more amenable to China's strategic situation.
 

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