Ladakh Flash Point


Phead128

Senior Member
Even Russia couldn’t steamroll militarily across flat plain against Ukraine despite superior military hardware & economic resources. China won’t perform any better against India in himalays either.
Russia did steamroll across flat plains, took more land than entire UK combined in less than 4 weeks. The problem was the city and urban warfare, not the flat plains. Russia didn't even deploy their full strength and China is wayyy more powerful than Russia in all aspects except nuclear weapons. It makes no sense to cite Russia shitty performance in Ukraine and apply it to Himalayans with China/India.
 

Overbom

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In DFI they started a thread about doing a detailed simulation on how a India-China (Border areas) war would proceed. Allegedly they are (will?) running the simulation on the background using CMO and having multiple military professionals commanding India and 1 professional commanding China.

Apparently they are just starting now and are gathering detailed (open source?) PLAGF data, locations, logistics etc.

I won't link the thread because I don't know if its allowed, but its something to keep in mind. I will definitely keep tabs on its progression though and the (inevitable) Indian bias.. Should be interesting
 

SEAD

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In DFI they started a thread about doing a detailed simulation on how a India-China (Border areas) war would proceed. Allegedly they are (will?) running the simulation on the background using CMO and having multiple military professionals commanding India and 1 professional commanding China.

Apparently they are just starting now and are gathering detailed (open source?) PLAGF data, locations, logistics etc.

I won't link the thread because I don't know if its allowed, but its something to keep in mind. I will definitely keep tabs on its progression though and the (inevitable) Indian bias.. Should be interesting
Just a little comment that CMO database of China is terrible…I don’t know if it’s still so bad but when I was playing it, a J-20 in their database are using the same RWR/ECM equipment as a 1990s version JH-7(or a F-111). Such kind of mistakes are everywhere in their China data.
 

Overbom

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Just a little comment that CMO database of China is terrible…I don’t know if it’s still so bad but when I was playing it, J-20 in their database is using the same RWR/ECM equipment as JH-7 in 1990s.
Apparently they are using their own data (on unit formations, not sure on equipment though). We will see, they are at the preparatory stage.

And yes, CMO own database doesnt have good data about Chinese weapons. One of the biggest misses there is the PL-15. You can literally launch 50+ of them and only manage to hit 10 (if you are lucky) lol
 

siegecrossbow

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Just a little comment that CMO database of China is terrible…I don’t know if it’s still so bad but when I was playing it, a J-20 in their database are using the same RWR/ECM equipment as a 1990s version JH-7(or a F-111). Such kind of mistakes are everywhere in their China data.

So MKI could see it from tens of kilometers away? PLAAF is doomed.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Registered Member
In DFI they started a thread about doing a detailed simulation on how a India-China (Border areas) war would proceed. Allegedly they are (will?) running the simulation on the background using CMO and having multiple military professionals commanding India and 1 professional commanding China.

Apparently they are just starting now and are gathering detailed (open source?) PLAGF data, locations, logistics etc.

I won't link the thread because I don't know if its allowed, but its something to keep in mind. I will definitely keep tabs on its progression though and the (inevitable) Indian bias.. Should be interesting
I would like to take a look at their simulation.

Please do share the link, either at here or just DM me.

Also, multiple professionals representing the Indian side vs only 1 professional representing the Chinese side seems kinda... unbalanced?
 

Bellum_Romanum

Major
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I would like to take a look at their simulation.

Please do share the link, either at here or just DM me.

Also, multiple professionals representing the Indian side vs only 1 professional representing the Chinese side seems kinda... unbalanced?
That's the Jai Hind way, so when the predictable results going their favour they can make Jai Hind level predictions and bragging as if their dumb dumb "simulation" would turn out as intended in real life.
 

Sardaukar20

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In DFI they started a thread about doing a detailed simulation on how a India-China (Border areas) war would proceed. Allegedly they are (will?) running the simulation on the background using CMO and having multiple military professionals commanding India and 1 professional commanding China.

Apparently they are just starting now and are gathering detailed (open source?) PLAGF data, locations, logistics etc.

I won't link the thread because I don't know if its allowed, but its something to keep in mind. I will definitely keep tabs on its progression though and the (inevitable) Indian bias.. Should be interesting
I'm prepared to hear reports about the cries of "Jai Hind!" in DFI. The 1001 reasons why India would defeat China in a war based on this 'simulation'.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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I'm prepared to hear reports about the cries of "Jai Hind!" in DFI. The 1001 reasons why India would defeat China in a war based on this 'simulation'.
For the life of me, what I don't understand from these hypernationalist Indians is their unfounded confidence in thinking and declaration that they can easily take on China on any war. Where are they basing this dumb, bat-shit crazy assumptions from? They tend to express brazen attitude of dismissive towards China's fighting prowess not to mention their superiority attitude that anything Chinese military hardware is worse than useless but goes on to super hype their untested, untried, over delayed indigenous military hardwares like it's the best in the world ex. Arjun tank, Tejas, brahmos missiles, air craft carrier etc..

They have assumed that beating (Pakistanis will dispute this word) in their past engagements from 1967, 72? 99 and their counter-guerilla battles with the maoists somehow is transferable against China/PLA of the 21st century. What's worse, the west led by the U.S. are feeding the enormous egos of these Jai Hinds (the same strategy and machinations they did to the Ukraine leadership) planting in their giant heads that they can take on China easy. We know the reasons why so that if the conflict between China and India starts and turn deadly the same P.R. can be invoked against China although it'll be tricky due to the area of conflict but nonetheless the west will crank up the noise volume, the hyper China threat to induce their already primed public to endorse, support whatever measure the U.S. can impose. Doing so would at least cause enough damage against China that can and will affect it's Taiwan reunification overall strategic objective.
 

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