Ladakh Flash Point

twineedle said:

India already has a road from finger 1 to finger three. This road is connecting finger 1 with Chushul in South Pang ong and other villages nearby.

What agreement are you talking about? India still has a base(Dhan Singh Thapa) at Finger three.

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Buffer agreement at Pangong lake fingers.

This road you posted is connecting India's side at the extreme edge of its border (west of finger 1 point) with India - Chushul.

What about this is worth posting? India building from India point A to India point B? Hooray India. Does India have a steel reinforced road going from F1 to F3 that's usable by armoured vehicles? That is news to me. When did they build that? Certainly not after buffer agreement where India lost patrol privilege and access.

ougoah said:

Buffer agreement at Pangong lake fingers.

This road you posted is connecting India's side at the extreme edge of its border (west of finger 1 point) with India - Chushul.

What about this is worth posting? India building from India point A to India point B? Hooray India. Does India have a steel reinforced road going from F1 to F3 that's usable by armoured vehicles? That is news to me. When did they build that? Certainly not after buffer agreement where India lost patrol privilege and access.

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Like China's road, the steel road to finger 3 was built before the standoff. It was recently extended to Chushul in South Pangong.

twineedle said:

Like China's road, the steel road to finger 3 was built before the standoff. It was recently extended to Chushul in South Pangong.

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I got some things wrong there in previous posts btw. I should have said F3. F3 is edge of India correct? The buffer agreement is F3 to F8 - the dispute. It's been a while on this topic without revisiting and I mistakenly thought dispute was F1 to F8. It is F4 to F8 where India agreed to not step beyond F3 NOT F1.

F1 to F3 is Indian land. China's road from F8 to F5 reaches into disputed land.

This is where the confusion was from. This road from India like I said earlier is still India building within India, not even disputed section.

So basically India is building from India to India and then presenting that as India winning the dispute because it built a road from India to the edge of where India agreed it would stay behind.

Meanwhile China has a steel reinforced road for armoured vehicles from edge of China to beyond the half way point of the dispute at Pangong Lake fingers. India to do equivalent infrastructure build up would need to extend this Chushul road to F6.

twineedle said:

Like China's road, the steel road to finger 3 was built before the standoff. It was recently extended to Chushul in South Pangong.

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What are your thoughts about the load of videos released by China in the past few months? Since you've discussed with enthusiasm the Ladakh conflict and the territorial changes and even casualties initially, your silence on this matter is odd.

Do you think China has released fake images? Why do you think India has not responded in Kind?

Xsizor said:

What are your thoughts about the load of videos released by China in the past few months? Since you've discussed with enthusiasm the Ladakh conflict and the territorial changes and even casualties initially, your silence on this matter is odd.

Do you think China has released fake images? Why do you think India has not responded in Kind?

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My main interest in this topic has been satellite imagery of the areas in standoff zones and information about the LAC and differences in perception between aindia and China, which have been the subjects of many of my posts. I thought you would have known that by now.

Xsizor said:

What are your thoughts about the load of videos released by China in the past few months? Since you've discussed with enthusiasm the Ladakh conflict and the territorial changes and even casualties initially, your silence on this matter is odd.

Do you think China has released fake images? Why do you think India has not responded in Kind?

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Exactly, you hear that? He's not interested in anything that is an obvious embarrassment to India. 20 Indian "soldiers" died running into frozen lakes following a failed cowardly ambush? Dozens of Indian "soldiers" got the shit beat out of them and captured with nothing on the Indian side to rebut? That's not important; we don't need to talk about that. Let's look at randomly labelled Google map images and imagine how these "soldiers" totally pushed China back and forced China to this and that LOL

manqiangrexue said:

Exactly, you hear that? He's not interested in anything that is an obvious embarrassment to India. 20 Indian "soldiers" died running into frozen lakes following a failed cowardly ambush? Dozens of Indian "soldiers" got the shit beat out of them and captured with nothing on the Indian side to rebut? That's not important; we don't need to talk about that. Let's look at randomly labelled Google map images and imagine how these "soldiers" totally pushed China back and forced China to this and that LOL

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Deep down even the ones calling them fake know that they are real. But that is besides the point.

Back to something that’s actually important and has strategic value.

Recently they found a large freshwater deposit at Tianshuihai. It will improve living conditions by quite a lot.

In this video it show how well is pla soldier living condition and weapon in high plateau environment, from weapon(artillery to surveillance, living quarter, clothing, gymn and Hydroponic vegetable container. That what you got if you have high tech industry. China can dragged this border dispute indefinitely, they are well ensconced in highs plateau Tibet. They even send birthday cake with UAV to soldier on the field

The main content of this program: The 155mm vehicle-mounted howitzer adopts a semi-automatic loading design. Just place the projectiles on the conveyor chain, press the button, and the shells weighing one hundred kilograms will be automatically loaded into the barrel, which makes the artillery fire. The preparation time is greatly shortened. At the same time, it reduces the demand for artillery squad personnel and the physical strength of the gunner. If you encounter a situation where the conveyor chain is stuck due to a machine failure, you can also use manual loading.

Hendrik_2000 said:

In this video it show how well is pla soldier living condition and weapon in high plateau environment, from weapon(artillery to surveillance, living quarter, clothing, gymn and Hydroponic vegetable container. That what you got if you have high tech industry. China can dragged this border dispute indefinitely, they are well ensconced in highs plateau Tibet. They even send birthday cake with UAV to soldier on the field

The main content of this program: The 155mm vehicle-mounted howitzer adopts a semi-automatic loading design. Just place the projectiles on the conveyor chain, press the button, and the shells weighing one hundred kilograms will be automatically loaded into the barrel, which makes the artillery fire. The preparation time is greatly shortened. At the same time, it reduces the demand for artillery squad personnel and the physical strength of the gunner. If you encounter a situation where the conveyor chain is stuck due to a machine failure, you can also use manual loading.

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I remember certain individuals poopooing the idea of drone delivery as Chinese propaganda until the Indian Army revealed that they are pursuing similar capabilities. Same with high altitude light tanks, same with portable container habitats, same with …