Ladakh Flash Point

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siegecrossbow

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Looks like the road is missing a midlayer of gravel/asphalt layer. So those type 15s will rip it up. But glad India is finally building infrastructure so the PLA can drive to Delhi faster on day 2. Afterall, in 1962 PLA backed off because there is no infrastructure after kicking butt to continue further.

Not exactly. The PLA had to retreat because they only had enough supplies/ammo for a short duration war in 62. Back then transportation into Tibet is very difficult and is mostly by people or animals. It took one year to get all the supplies in place.
 

PiSigma

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Not exactly. The PLA had to retreat because they only had enough supplies/ammo for a short duration war in 62. Back then transportation into Tibet is very difficult and is mostly by people or animals. It took one year to get all the supplies in place.
I know. But China have infrastructure in place now to keep going indefinitely if they wanted to. Everything from mining the metal to shipping ammo and food to the front lines can be done 24/7. It's the India side that needs to build the infrastructure so when it gets hot and the Indian Army surrenders, there are roads for PLA to drive to Delhi. Without these new roads, supplying the troops once they are 100 miles into India will be a lot harder... If it gets to that of course.
 

siegecrossbow

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I know. But China have infrastructure in place now to keep going indefinitely if they wanted to. Everything from mining the metal to shipping ammo and food to the front lines can be done 24/7. It's the India side that needs to build the infrastructure so when it gets hot and the Indian Army surrenders, there are roads for PLA to drive to Delhi. Without these new roads, supplying the troops once they are 100 miles into India will be a lot harder... If it gets to that of course.

China is not interested in driving to Delhi, not even after the war erupts. India is not a major threat and getting mired down in a prolonged war is not within China’s interests. Should conflict break out it would be small and localized, and I doubt even Air Force (barring drones) would come into play.
 

zgx09t

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China clearly dominates over India in every rung of escalation ladder in any LAC scenario. Her recent LAC infrastructure buildup is mostly reactive, late coming to the game China has set up years and years ago. Logistics and troops buildup for scenario planning on the Indian side seems incoherent, especially while they are planning to overhaul the command structure to manage future war campaign, whatever that may be, recognizing current structure's shortcomings. Trying to out-compete China in organization and modern logistics is quite fool hardly for India's military thinkers. Most likely, India would end up in a position where she would see herself financially bleeding horribly and logistically strained terribly if they keep up with this LAC non-sense. They have a smallish domestic carrier only because they don't have money to begin with. The longer they stay up there in the high altitude desert with a neighbor 5 times the size of her economy with much larger defense budget, less and less goodies for their military overall in coming years and years. And for what? They should have keep the powder dry and pursue for peace and stand down while building up real power, not an empty showdown along LAC with no end in sight and nothing to show for the lives lost. China is like a cat playing with a tired mouse, or a pro keeping the weaker opponent spent his energy punching air in the ring long enough to let him air out before finishing up. It's a game China can play years and years well into decades matching every rung they could ever come up with. For China, India is just a pesky zit that need be popped til right moment.
Sure China will play along with Indian delusions and feelings, but China owns the facts on the ground that she can overwhelm India in every rung of the ladder. It will always be under the threshold of military conflict and full resolution. It's a slow boil and under low heat, that's about it. China killed 20 of them, if they are what they said who they are, there must have been some kind of proof to confirm it already. But, no. It is Taiwan that's the ultimate next ladder China needs to climb to reach a satisfactory resolution for China. That's the main card, a title bout. Once China regains Taiwan, that'll be the new world order, good bye hub and spokes, good bye dollar hegemony.
 

PiSigma

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China is not interested in driving to Delhi, not even after the war erupts. India is not a major threat and getting mired down in a prolonged war is not within China’s interests. Should conflict break out it would be small and localized, and I doubt even Air Force (barring drones) would come into play.
I agree... That's why I ended with "if it comes to that".
 

siegecrossbow

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It has come to my attention that some Indian news outlets have started making lengthy videos debunking the photo leaks. In my humble opinion they are falling for a trap this time. In retrospect I thought that they handled the October leak very well. Let the rabid Bhakts denounce them as fake on Twitter and Facebook and in a couple of days, the news would blow over. By making fancy debunking videos they are just keeping the story longer in the news cycle, increasing the exposure time and audience, and look like idiots to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Should conflict break out it would be small and localized, and I doubt even Air Force (barring drones) would come into play.
I doubt that very much. Even in the most limited conflicts, joint operations should be employed and tested.
It has come to my attention that some Indian news outlets have started making lengthy videos debunking the photo leaks.
Please link some. I was disappointed they didn't take the bait last time and begrudgingly approved of their discipline. Didn't last long, though, did it?
 

siegecrossbow

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I doubt that very much. Even in the most limited conflicts, joint operations should be employed and tested.

Please link some. I was disappointed they didn't take the bait last time and begrudgingly approved of their discipline. Didn't last long, though, did it?


Like I said before, even people with two brain cells to rub together could debunk their arguments. “No long haired Indian soldiers…” really? Aren’t like a quarter of the IA Sikhs, who wear their hair long? The alternative would be a Pakistanis actor in a wig but I guess the Bhakts have no trouble believing that.
 

ougoah

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From Chushul to the edge of India proper? How is this noteworthy though or anything like some "victory" for India where it needs to be mentioned?

India is building a road (that doesn't look like it's for armoured vehicles) from India to India. Meanwhile China built a road from China to the middle of disputed territory at Pangong lake fingers. An Indian equivalent would be if this road you showed went from Finger 1 to Finger 3 but India signed agreement they will not even step foot east of Finger 1 at Pangong and breaking that agreement means PLA back to occupy half the land.
 

twineedle

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From Chushul to the edge of India proper? How is this noteworthy though or anything like some "victory" for India where it needs to be mentioned?

India is building a road (that doesn't look like it's for armoured vehicles) from India to India. Meanwhile China built a road from China to the middle of disputed territory at Pangong lake fingers. An Indian equivalent would be if this road you showed went from Finger 1 to Finger 3 but India signed agreement they will not even step foot east of Finger 1 at Pangong and breaking that agreement means PLA back to occupy half the land.
India already has a road from Lukung (near finger 1) to finger three. This road is connecting finger 1 with Chushul in South Pang ong and other villages nearby.

What agreement are you talking about? India still has a base(Dhan Singh Thapa) at Finger three.

China originally insisted on india removing it as a condition for disengagement, but had to remove that demand after India's actions in South Pangong.
 
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