Ladakh Flash Point


Xsizor

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now the issue is india wants everything back to status quo before they started the aggression in 2020. China made a mistake in 1962, and don't to repeat it this time.

japs started the second world war, killed tens of millions of people, they lost, but japs still believe whatever they owned before the war is their property.
Correction. While the current talks ( initiated by India) is for a resolution of Hot Springs area - the region between Patrol Point 15 (of India ) and Kongka La - the real objective is to push for a resolution in Depsang region that lies north of Galwan. That region is originally not a focus of 2020 clash and that region saw change during 2011-2013 time frame.

So, India wants the current string of discussions and disengagement to solve not only the regions primarily affected by the events of 2020 but also areas affected by events that happened way earlier. The thing is, China won't bulge as these regions are way close to important transportation nodes and mountain passes that connect China to Pakistan as well as China's Xinjiang region.
 

twineedle

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From the latest available imagery, PLA did move back slightly across its side of the lac. The only step to complete disengagenent there as was seen in gogra would be for both sides to agree to a formal buffer zone. Hence whybthere was earlier optism in Indian media about diswngagement there, as both sides would have to pull back significantly less since PLA was on its side of the LAC. However, I am guessing the talks over specifications about the buffer zone broke down. It is important to consider the point India calls pp15 is closer to tge la c than most patrol points, and is also close to China's access to the Gal wan Valley. So this is overall a sensitive region for China.


Also, for the sake of clarification, there are to Hot Springs in the region. One near the Indian HotSprings Post(called Gogra on GE) and another on the Chinese side of the LAC close to the Kugrang valley. This is the last remaining friction point in the area between Galwan and Pangong Tso. There are currently no standoff points in the other Hot Springs location, between India's hot springs post and the kongka la bulge

Since Gogra (pp17a) was completely disengaged two months ago, the only issue left is completion of disengagement near pp15, though obviously a formal buffer zone was not created after the last round.
 
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do3jack

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now the issue is india wants everything back to status quo before they started the aggression in 2020. China made a mistake in 1962, and don't to repeat it this time.

japs started the second world war, killed tens of millions of people, they lost, but japs still believe whatever they owned before the war is their property.
The point of disagreement is India's request for April 2020 status, but China believes that it is the year 2000 status.
 

Sardaukar20

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Overbom

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It is as simple as India demanding things without having the leverage to force or push China to change its stance.

The way things are going, India should scale back its demands (and their fake news). The only thing that matters is, leverage.

In military they cant do much. Instead, it is China that is rumping up its military presence and readiness.

Economically, the same. Just see the recent data for trade between China and India.

Diplomatically, the same. India wants to make moves but it is constrained by various factors (besides China).

So, I really dont know where India can find something to increase its leverage. My advice, take the Chinese deal to settle the matter, and in return get some concessions from China.

After all, China also doesn't like to have such tensions on its land border, while facing the US on the other side of the country.
 

Xsizor

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It is as simple as India demanding things without having the leverage to force or push China to change its stance.

The way things are going, India should scale back its demands (and their fake news). The only thing that matters is, leverage.

In military they cant do much. Instead, it is China that is rumping up its military presence and readiness.

Economically, the same. Just see the recent data for trade between China and India.

Diplomatically, the same. India wants to make moves but it is constrained by various factors (besides China).

So, I really dont know where India can find something to increase its leverage. My advice, take the Chinese deal to settle the matter, and in return get some concessions from China.

After all, China also doesn't like to have such tensions on its land border, while facing the US on the other side of the country.
India certainly can do militarily by increasing its cooperation with AUKUS and give them some Naval bases in Andaman Nicobar.

But then again, I think that'd be quite the deal as it'd mean India is shoving away its great power ideas and sacrificing its territorial integrity. ( Has India ever given bases to USSR? I don't know)

The China threat is a legendary topic for India. It's a mess. Asia is a mess and that is very sad, personally.
 

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