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ougoah said:
It is strange why the Indian military has been so insistent on foreign imports. For snapshots of situations, it makes sense but surely their planners at some point in the last 50 years would have formed coherent understanding of the need to eventually be very self reliant on ammunition and ordinance. I suspect a lot of foreign interest groups lobbying and corrupting decision makers, combined with a bit more desire for immediate gratification, and a bit less capability in domestic producers. Even with halo projects that were supposed to be trend setters like Tejas and Arjun, both have delivered acceptable platforms but overall still rather underwhelming in capability while costing more than they should and taking several times as long as they should have.

And yet the explanation is boiled down to the soundbyte "China sucks and our stuff is just super high quality which is why it took long". Sure okay.
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If expense is the so metric for quality then they’d be displaying 24K carat gold cow patties in the Louvre.
 
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ougoah said:
It is strange why the Indian military has been so insistent on foreign imports. For snapshots of situations, it makes sense but surely their planners at some point in the last 50 years would have formed coherent understanding of the need to eventually be very self reliant on ammunition and ordinance. I suspect a lot of foreign interest groups lobbying and corrupting decision makers, combined with a bit more desire for immediate gratification, and a bit less capability in domestic producers. Even with halo projects that were supposed to be trend setters like Tejas and Arjun, both have delivered acceptable platforms but overall still rather underwhelming in capability while costing more than they should and taking several times as long as they should have.

And yet the explanation is boiled down to the soundbyte "China sucks and our stuff is just super high quality which is why it took long". Sure okay.
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Not even "joint developed" seem to work.
 
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lgnxz said:
Concrete towers vs wooden poles. If this is even true it really says a lot about the kind of race of infrastructure build up these indians are trying to muster.
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China produced 6.5 times more concrete a year than India. On per capita basis, india produced no more concrete than many developed countries, but India is not developed and ought to consume much more concrete per capita to become developed.
 
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davidau said:
Do you honestly think that China think Lhasa or Chengdu or any territory including SCS islands of China disposable?
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Outer Mongolia was disposable, no? The independence of Mongolia is because the PRC negotiated with the Soviet Union in return for Soviet assistance, although Mongolia was self-governing.

I'd argue that Lhasa, as a small city in a sparsely populated frontier region, is disposable. So's the SCS islands, but in a different way. The SCS is a Chinese strategic frontier that's being heavily fortified. Having the SCS get bombed out is not a preferred outcome, but it's preferred to having Hainan bombed out, which is the entire point of the SCS.
 
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Inst said:
Outer Mongolia was disposable, no? The independence of Mongolia is because the PRC negotiated with the Soviet Union in return for Soviet assistance, although Mongolia was self-governing.

I'd argue that Lhasa, as a small city in a sparsely populated frontier region, is disposable. So's the SCS islands, but in a different way. The SCS is a Chinese strategic frontier that's being heavily fortified. Having the SCS get bombed out is not a preferred outcome, but it's preferred to having Hainan bombed out, which is the entire point of the SCS.
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Why are you talking out if the wrong end of your body.

China lost a lot of territories when she was weak. Heck. Look at Hong Kong, Taiwan and host of others . So China list Mongolia to buy time for her to develop. So what. What goes round comes around.

You coyly not putting where you are from. I'm sure your country have list territory in the past. It's not a dick measuring contest.
 
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Outer Mongolia was disposable, no? The independence of Mongolia is because the PRC negotiated with the Soviet Union in return for Soviet assistance, although Mongolia was self-governing.

I'd argue that Lhasa, as a small city in a sparsely populated frontier region, is disposable. So's the SCS islands, but in a different way. The SCS is a Chinese strategic frontier that's being heavily fortified. Having the SCS get bombed out is not a preferred outcome, but it's preferred to having Hainan bombed out, which is the entire point of the SCS.
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I gather you have zero sense of military strategy?

An independent Mongolia serves as a useful buffer state between China and USSR. An independent Tibet would be a major threat to Chinese heartlands.
 
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solarz said:
I gather you have zero sense of military strategy?

An independent Mongolia serves as a useful buffer state between China and USSR. An independent Tibet would be a major threat to Chinese heartlands.
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The point I'm making isn't about an independent Tibet, but rather whether the Chinese are willing to let Lhasa get nuked. If, say, the Indians nuke Lhasa, and the Chinese nuke Hyderabad, the Chinese are winning the trade because Lhasa is a city of negligible importance to China, whereas Hyderabad etc are important Indian cities.

That's why I'm saying the Chinese need BMD; i.e, while Lhasa can be traded off in a nuclear exchange (and for that matter, the Indians nuking it would be the death knell of TI movements), Chengdu cannot, so it's imperative for China to deploy BMD to screw Indian minimal deterrence capability against actually important Chinese cities.
 
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