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Xizor

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@Xsizor bro what is amazing is that the Indian Army had branded his report as fake news and other Indian journalist highlighted it. I think Ajaj Shukla is not popular among the Indian establishment and his peers.
Ajai Shukla is popular. So many comments dissing and hating on him because he doesn't toe the line of the government and the Army.

Other than saying "he wrong", "he bad" etc, no one has picked up his article and gave a strong rebuttal. Not even other soldiers (retired or otherwise) or diplomats or journalists.

There is no sense for someone outside India looking for objective appraisal to place Ajai Shukla over others if others are giving out a better story and lay of the things. Except for the inaccuracies in his roughly sketched, maps in the beginning, he has been proved right on many details.
 

Xizor

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I wonder if this article from 2 months ago is related to Ajai Shukla's report
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Don't think so. Ajai Shukla writes in Business Standard.
Many journalists quote him and even foreign news agencies invite him. Pretty good surf for a guy who is "wrong and biased".
 

twineedle

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He can't go straight to the border and click shots, can he? What statements of his is wrong for you?

The Indian Army may publish a strong rebuttal. They seem to tell that they'd indeed do so. Seems like he made an impression on the Army.
So what makes Shukla so accurate compared to respected journalists like Shiv Aroor? Especially since Shiv Aroor is far more reputable and has literally never reported anything incorrect during the recent standoff.

Shukla should at least try and produce some satellite imagery supporting his claim, instead of crude drawings that are supposed to be maps. Though of course, we all know satellite imagery has contradicted him on multiple occasions. Both Detresfa and Nathan Ruser have called him out multiple times.

According to you, all claims by Indian journalists should be taken seriously.
 
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Xizor

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The burden of proof is always on the claimant. For example, he has been contradicted by literally all other sources on pps past 17. Even other anti-Modi veterans like HS Panag have debunked his claims and asserted that the standoff points were 15-17a.

On a side note, his claim about PLA withdrawing in the winter actually corroborates the Indua Today report on PLA withdrawing from Hot Springs.
No Panag hasn't debunked anything. His article doesn't match up regarding detail against Ajai Shukla. He draws out the LAC with an orange brush on MS paint.

Are all journalists either Anti-Modi or Pro-Modi? Can't a journalist be Anti-Modi but Pro-Army? Or Pro-Truth Anti-Army Anti-Modi? Or Pro-Propaganda Pro-Army but Anti-Modi?
 

twineedle

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No Panag hasn't debunked anything. His article doesn't match up regarding detail against Ajai Shukla. He draws out the LAC with an orange brush on MS paint.

Are all journalists either Anti-Modi or Pro-Modi? Can't a journalist be Anti-Modi but Pro-Army? Or Pro-Truth Anti-Army Anti-Modi? Or Pro-Propaganda Pro-Army but Anti-Modi?
So now Lt. Gen. Panag is anti truth because he is anti Shukla?
Speaking of truth, the truth is china tried to shift the LAC westwards at Hot Springs and Galwan but failed. Nothing Shukla says changes that.

Lt. Gen. Panag drew the LAC based on his experiences leading patrols in the region decades ago.
 
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jfy1155

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So what makes Shukla so accurate compared to respected journalists like Shiv Aroor? Especially since Shiv Aroor is far more reputable and has literally never reported anything incorrect during the recent standoff.

Shukla should at least try and produce some satellite imagery supporting his claim, instead of crude drawings that are supposed to be maps. Though of course, we all know satellite imagery has contradicted him on multiple occasions. Both Detresfa and Nathan Ruser have called him out multiple times.

According to you, all claims by Indian journalists should be taken seriously.
You call Shiv Aroor more reputable and respected? Please tell us what well known foreign news has he ever been invited to?
 

Xizor

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So what makes Shukla so accurate compared to respected journalists like Shiv Aroor? Especially since Shiv Aroor is far more reputable and has literally never reported anything incorrect during the recent standoff.

Shukla should at least try and produce some satellite imagery supporting his claim, instead of crude drawings that are supposed to be maps. Though of course, we all know satellite imagery has contradicted him on multiple occasions. Both Detresfa and Nathan Ruser have called him out multiple times.

According to you, all claims by Indian journalists should be taken seriously.
Simple. Shiv Aroor doesn't go into details. He never went into details. Ajai Shukla caught attention because he diverted significantly from the narrative of the establishment and the Army.
Lets take the case for China. If 98% of Chinese reporters stick to a narrative and the 2% doesn't - would they catch attention? Good.
Now imagine if the 2% reporter gives a far more detailed assessment of the issue and even new information - then even if the reporter is ANTI-PRC or ANTI-CCP, many people will tend to believe this reporter and start questioning the popular narrative.
Shive Aroor hasn't yet given his version of detailed lay of the land in Ladakh, has he? Hence.
Lt. Gen. Panag drew the LAC based on his experiences leading patrols in the region decades ago.

So now Lt. Gen. Panag is anti truth because he is anti Shukla?
Whoa. Whoever claimed Mr. Panag to be anti-truth? Almost everyone will welcome Panag to be as detailed in his rebuttal of Ajai Shukla. We all would enjoy that clash.
 
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