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Abominable

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It is precisely because of such a mindset that already has a strong prevalence among many Indians (majority) that I am still baffled as to why China has been so 'easy-going' towards India.
Many Indian intellectuals and Military leaders have repeatedly demonised China, have called for opposing China, and to split China into multiple regions/nations if given the opprotunity. India will surely initiate appropriate destabilising undertakings against China, may not be today but surely in the future if ever India feels it has military parity and can get away with harming China (in collaboration with the US and allies).
China may rue the missed opportunities to put India in its place. Most of the Indian citizens, even the educated ones, have already been turned into anti-china citizens.

I really think that the Chinese leadership do not truly grasp how much hatred has been whipped up against China and Chinese people ( no longer just the Communist party , but even the Chinese people), and I have a feeling this will continue to fester and will continue to be used as a Politcal weapon for any political party, and such a festering wound will only become outright hostility, just as the US and the West has whipped up China-threat and China-hatred to an unreasonable amount. The bigger danger is that the India is right next door.

Mark my words, any natural disasters or calamity in China will be met with joy and celebrations in India, any future failure of Chinese Space exploration will be met with jubilation, any Loses China suffers in any part of the world will be hailed as the locals standing up to the 'ruthless and Godless Chinese' etc. there will not even be a hint of remorse because China is 'evil', the Chinese are ,Godless people without conscience', for the Chinese 'only money is king above even Human Life' etc.

Any future wars China may encounter will always have to be with the realization that India will strike on China's western Borders, no matter how easily many in this forum dismiss Indian capabiltities.
The Chinese military and leadership know what they are doing. The build up of military infrastructure on the Indian border over the last year is unprecedented. I think they are taking India more seriously than Taiwan/SCS.
 

Xizor

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The Chinese military and leadership know what they are doing. The build up of military infrastructure on the Indian border over the last year is unprecedented. I think they are taking India more seriously than Taiwan/SCS.
The PLAGF and PLARF is taking IA seriously. Because there are no other land based issue except India and maybe Korean clash. If China gets Afghanistan to be on its side eventually ( with Taliban and Pakistan affair) then India is looking at a big problem.

Can Bangladesh be turned away from India using some means? Then the problem will grow.
 

Richard Santos

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I think the notion that India can seriously threaten Tibet proper by coming through a himalayan path is ridiculous. India air threat to Tibet will always exist and can’t be eliminated by china short of overwhelming victory in a large war, which frankly china is currently not near materially prepared to conduct either, and probably can’t conduct strategically while china’s military status in the west pacific vis a vis the US, of which taiwan, japan, ASEAN are just facets, remains unresolved.

This leaves the border conflict an local irritation. There is potential for there to become a very large border conflict in terms forces and casualties, but nonetheless an isolated border conflict.

This has to be borne in mind when really prioritizing either country’s defensive needs.
 

Kancil

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I think the notion that India can seriously threaten Tibet proper by coming through a himalayan path is ridiculous. India air threat to Tibet will always exist and can’t be eliminated by china short of overwhelming victory in a large war, which frankly china is currently not near materially prepared to conduct either, and probably can’t conduct strategically while china’s military status in the west pacific vis a vis the US, of which taiwan, japan, ASEAN are just facets, remains unresolved.

This leaves the border conflict an local irritation. There is potential for there to become a very large border conflict in terms forces and casualties, but nonetheless an isolated border conflict.

This has to be borne in mind when really prioritizing either country’s defensive needs.
The number of mountain passes are limited. Should India decides to invade Tibet, the Chinese should be prepared to blockade the passes by triggering landslides or avalanches to block any retreat or supplies or reinforcements after the main Indian forces have crossed the mountain passes. After that the PLA can mop up the trapped Indians.
 

siegecrossbow

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But those cameras are made in China and China have access.. so Chinese guys watch themselves?

They don’t have access yet. To the best of my knowledge the Western Theatre Command officials haven’t contacted Hikvision yet. They are reserving the call for times of active hostility, during which the Indian Jawans can see nothing but panda meme videos from their imported surveillance cameras.
 

Inst

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I don't think the Indians are to be taken that seriously. They're bragging about hangars that can resist 1 ton bombs, but once the H-20 fleet comes online, it'll be as if the Indians had to share a border with the United States during the Cold War.

Previously, my concern with India was the expense imposed onto China for building a counter-India force, but as it turns out, the H-20s are long-ranged enough to be able to cover both Ladakh and Guam at the same time. And the suspected H-20 procurement (50) looks as though it'd have a payload capability comparable to a 3rd of the American strategic bomber fleet.

That means that Chinese gravity bombs can be dropped onto all Indian assets, and what's more, India joining the Quad implies that tactically, the Chinese are liable to "break out" by hitting the weak link in the chain. Since India is economically weak, technologically backwards, and organizationally impoverished, India seems to be the likely target if the Chinese opt to do a breakout.

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The only requirements for China, though, beyond the H-20 fleet, are that:

1- China gets a sufficient J-20 fleet to fight US Central Command assets if necessary. Oman is about 1400 km distant, meaning that F-35s can attempt to intercept (which they're not designed for) H-20s in the region.

2- China gets a sufficient nuclear deterrent to threaten off US intervention or Indian nuclear launches. BMD also comes in handy in this regard. While Lhasa is disposable, Chengdu is not, and being able to deter Indian nuclear escalation is crucial.
 
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