asif iqbal
Banned Idiot
^^^^ that is true, that happened in 2002 during stand-off, China sent within 24 hours 40 F7PGs to Pakistan, also if u look at the timeline China speeded up JF17 project after that, and by 2003 it had made its madein flight
JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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Well, I think PAF will move to more J10 in the future. It is just a short time frame that PAF will go for F16. We can expect that they will shift to J10B if AESA and better AAM will be optional. Then we can see them parked to prevent foreign interference. JF17 is indeed for PAF cheap asset which will be there in large numbers and able to be produced fast and inside China and Pakistan. The whole issue of China giving lots of planes when Pakistan needs is now less important. Back then PAF had nothing expect boycotted US planes. Now it has everything and the US planes are just a (small) bonus. Do remind that China and Pak have a treaty to protect each others integrity.
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CottageLV
Banned Idiot
right now india is already dominating with super heavyweight class Su30 and thousands of other not so great jets, maybe not that advanced, but still massive in number.
Indianfighter
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Although there is every indication that the FC-1 may succeed the 600 odd J-7s in PLAAF, the issue is that the FC-1 is fairly bigger and has greater operational costs.
If the goal is simply to defend an area at a very low cost and to "sting" invading fighters, the J-7 is a better choice than the F-C1. China simply has to refurbish the J-7 a little more to tune it with modern requirements.
In that case, the MiG-21 will hold an unbreakable record for the most span of use and the most production run in aviation history.
But if J-7s are doomed to retirement, then there is no alternative for PLAAF other than FC-1. And probably in that case, it won't be too sophisticated either; just a wolf-pack of guards at an airbase or city against any invading jets that manage to get across.
If the goal is simply to defend an area at a very low cost and to "sting" invading fighters, the J-7 is a better choice than the F-C1. China simply has to refurbish the J-7 a little more to tune it with modern requirements.
In that case, the MiG-21 will hold an unbreakable record for the most span of use and the most production run in aviation history.
But if J-7s are doomed to retirement, then there is no alternative for PLAAF other than FC-1. And probably in that case, it won't be too sophisticated either; just a wolf-pack of guards at an airbase or city against any invading jets that manage to get across.
If costs would be the reason they would not go for anything ore expensive indeed. But since minimum warfare is HMS, BVR and reasonable range with IFR and decent ECM/Radar you can expect that the Fc1 is the minimum in the next few years. Even for point defense the J7 is no longer good enough. There is simple not enough room for what the minimum needs are. The J7 is nice for some african countries but not long viable option for a super power. Not even in the middle of China.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
J7s also have a rather short operational life, so they won't be around for much longer even if the PLAAF wanted to keep the type.
But in terms of minimal threat area air policing, things like the JL9 and L15 would do just fine. The JL9 is more attractive because it is effectively a JF17 front end added to a J7 back end. That means that all the support and logistics infrastructure and spares from the J7s would make just fine on the JL9.
But in terms of minimal threat area air policing, things like the JL9 and L15 would do just fine. The JL9 is more attractive because it is effectively a JF17 front end added to a J7 back end. That means that all the support and logistics infrastructure and spares from the J7s would make just fine on the JL9.
Indianfighter
Junior Member
I'm sure J-7s are also equipped with decent HMS and BVR (IAF MiG-21s sure are), and besides like I said earlier, FC-1s are not exactly meant only for area defence, whereas J-7s are fit for that role.
So J-7s can play that low-end role better than the FC-1 in the PLAAF.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
No, the J7G is based on the original Mig21 with the smaller nose cone. The IAF Bisons are built on the Mig21FM with a bigger nose cone to allow for a bigger radar. China also tried out the FM design with the J7III, but ultimately decided the sacrifices to get the bigger nose was not worth it.
Thus, the J7G and PG do not have a BVR capability, although tbh, the Bison doesn't have much of one either. Against a full blooded BVR fighter, the Bison will never get the upper hand in BVR.
Thus, the J7G and PG do not have a BVR capability, although tbh, the Bison doesn't have much of one either. Against a full blooded BVR fighter, the Bison will never get the upper hand in BVR.