JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[Quickie]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

Let us not get confused with a TOT agreement with that of buying a component as a whole, for example, the engine or the radar or the avionics, as a whole. It seems like there is a confusion here. I don't think a western supplier would agree to a TOT that easily.

By the way, a TOT agreement is not necessarily a transfer of technology in the true sense of the word. It's more likely similar to an OEM contract - with the difference being that the manufacturer in this case is also the user. In that sense, the research and technology behind the parts and modules going into the final product may still be hidden and not revealed.

 

[flyboy2008]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

Let us not get confused with a TOT agreement with that of buying a component as a whole, for example, the engine or the radar or the avionics, as a whole. It seems like there is a confusion here. I don't think a western supplier would agree to a TOT that easily.

By the way, a TOT agreement is not necessarily a transfer of technology in the true sense of the word. It's more likely similar to an OEM contract - with the difference being that the manufacturer in this case is also the user. In that sense, the research and technology behind the parts and modules going into the final product may still be hidden and not revealed.

I agree 100%. It's not likely that Western firms will give TOT to Pakistan. And even if they do, it's not a full TOT like China is giving to Pakistan the ability to manufacture the Airframe from the ground up.

This is why Pakistan chose to seek the subsystems from the West. Pakistan wanted TOT from the Chinese, but Chinese said no. Might as well then buy Western avionics, and try to get TOT.

If China offered Paksitan full TOT for avionics, missiles, or engines, of course Pakistan would accept. Otherwise they'd be fools for it'd be a great opportunity of Pakistan to develop that industry. And the Chinese would be fools to make that offer. Why give away your tech base for nothing?

Sorry..China and Pakistan are great allies, but this doesn't mean there is no boundaries or lines between the two.

 

[Gollevainen]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

I haven't ban anyone for months so I'm getting bit desperate nowadays...

...So please, continue this off-topic ranting about what Pakistan can do nor cannot and by all try to avoid discussing purely on JF-17/FC-1 at any cost...please..make my day:nono::nono:

Golly

 

[Munir]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

I think the discussion is baseless. We will see in the future what really ends in Pakistani hands. The number of planes are raised to 275. We have no clue what will be in the next batch after the 50 from China. There are reports about HMS but which one will it be? A chinese? A South African? Something from France? Maybe TOT? Same goes for weapons... There are report of mating AMRAAM C5. We have seen something about IrisT and surely we read something unclear about Denel. We have seen no SD10 yet... Let us agree with the reaction of mr Gollevainen. Let us wait another year and then talk about whether the plane is worth something, gets exports and who will get the share...

I personally think that the reason for Pak to join this project was not being depending on spare parts from abroad. Besides that the idea was to be able to be the producer for next generation. We have seen other projects in Pak ending like new Pak products. Is Pak able to absorb it? I think so. They will take several years to achieve that. They are part of the testing team. They will be the party that will integrate non Chinese parts cause western nation do not expoert those parts to China. And I doubt that Pak will hire for every little thing foreign engineers...

Kind regards.

 

[Gollevainen]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

As you kids cannot play nicely, thread closed

(I don't know if it's a pattern or what but every single JF-17 thread sofar have ended up closed...)

Golly

 

[jawad]

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China's NRIET outlines fighter radar improvements

Reuben F Johnson JDW Correspondent - Beijing

Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET) has revealed details of its airborne fighter radar programmes at CIDEX 2008 in Beijing.

Representatives of NRIET at the Chinese defence electronics exhibition told Jane's in early April that the KLJ-7 radar installed in the FC-1/JF-17 - the fighter aircraft developed jointly with Pakistan - has undergone improvements from its original configuration. The system can now "manage up to 40 targets, track up to 10 in track-while-scan [TWS] mode and engage two targets simultaneously", they said.


NRIET is the major supplier of fighter radar systems to Chengdu Aerospace Corporation, which produces the FC-1/JF-17 and J-10 fighter aircraft.

Like other Chinese companies, NRIET has made progress in upgrading the performance of its systems and has benefited from the advances that China's industries have made in designing more robust and state-of-the-art components. NRIET said that work had started on developing an AESA fighter radar, but that details of this programme were classified.

Through joint development and co-operation with the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) on the JF-17 variant of the FC-1 and from bilateral discussions with other foreign defence companies, NRIET is believed to have gained access to a number of overseas radar systems that have been used for testing and development of the KLJ series.

Concerns were raised in some quarters in March when it was confirmed that French officials were in talks with Pakistan about the sale of radar systems for use in the JF-17 - the worry being that Beijing would also gain access to the technology.

Officials from Russia's Phazotron radar design centre previously told Jane's that NRIET had purchased two Zemchug radars that it uses for "A/B comparisons of their radar's performance against our design".

However, they hastened to add that China's radars "are not copies of our designs. It is not correct to call anything that the Chinese build a copy because they use their own components [and] their own electronic circuit boards. Some of their designs may appear to be analogues of someone else's design but they are not copies".

NRIET has also been known as Research Institute No 14 or Nanjing Radar Plant 720 and is the largest of the China Electronic Technology Corporation (CETC) consortium's research institutes. CETC is the largest military products industrial group in China.

 

[jawad]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

CATIC develops strong ties with Pakistan armed forces: Ambassador Khan

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BEIJING, Jan 11 (APP)- Expressing his complete confidence in China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC) as one of the most resilient links and a unifying factor between Pakistan and China, Ambassador Masood Khan said Sunday that his country is proud of its relationship with CATIC.

In the last three decades, CATIC has developed strong ties with Pakistan Army, Air Force, and Navy. Its ties with Pakistan air force are the strongest, Ambassador Khan said while addressing the ceremony to celebrate 30th founding anniversary of CATIC here.

The ceremony was largely attended among others by President AVIC Lin Zuoming, Assistant Foreign Minister Zhai Jun, and President CATIC Fu Shula.

He pointed out that the co-production of JF-17 fighter is the crowning of the most productive collaboration between PAF and CATIC.

The project is a milestone. It symbolizes the depth of trust and confidence between our two countries, Khan observed.

The co-production of JF-17 has the potential to grow further and bring new technological dividends, he said adding we will reinforce this cooperation to move into other areas to learn and benefit from China’s cutting edge aviation technology and CATIC’s proven competencies.

Expressing his full confidence, Khan said that the bonds of friendship, co-operation and mutual support between Pakistan armed forces and CATIC will grow from strength to strength in the years to come.

Pakistan, Khan said also recognizes the great contributions made by Vice President Yang Ying. Vice President Ma Zhiping, Mr. Li Pei CPD JF-17, and Mr. Liu Yu Executive Director to strengthen relations between CATIC and Pakistan Armed Forces, especially Pakistan Air Force.

“We value your work and wish CATIC more successes in future”, he noted.

In the past thirty years, Khan said China has pursued a unique model combining strengths of socialist and market economies and CATIC is a living symbol of that paradigm.

In the strategic sphere, he said China has now established itself as a major global player. The new world order cannot be conceived without China, as the Chinese soft power extends to Asia and beyond to the entire globe.

He said that despite the exponential growth in China’s economic power and political clout, Beijing has maintained and strengthened its ties with developing countries.

The key words, Khan said used by Chinese statesmen are “equality, mutual benefit, and mutual respect” that help us create a peaceful and stable world.

Since 1979, Khan said when its foundation was laid by China’s venerable and visionary leader, Chairman Deng Xiaoping - CATIC has made tremendous progress in diverse fields of aviation from cutting edge engineering to import and export to construction.

 

[Indianfighter]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

This news report is rumored to be from 1995 (posted in Keypublishing first, courtesy, BirdDog19).

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According to this report, Zhang Yang-Chong, vice-President of Aviation Industries of China, visited ADA headquarters in Bangalore to discuss the LCA project with his counterpart there.

Now, this is not a comparison but just a very interesting and amazing historical fact : India and China actually contemplated co-operating on the LCA ! If I'm not mistaken, Aviation Industries of China is the same one developing the FC-1. So, are FC-1 and LCA twins separated before birth ?

Just whipping some historic nostalgia here. No need to compare the present aircraft.

 

[Indianfighter]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

India's Air Force Chief had this to say about the JF-17 :-

"The JF-17 is a fairly good plane, though there is nothing sensational about it. It is a class of lower than the F-16. I flew the simulator at Singapore air show. It is capable, but nothing that bothers me."

He said this in a recent interview.

 

[planeman]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Interesting quote, but I think he's being a bit misleading comparing it to the F-16 because inevitably we assume he means Pakistani F-16As, which it is undoubtedly superior to if only by virtue of its BVR capability.