JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[goldenpanda]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread

Why do they have them installed? That's because the flight properties of the aircraft, and the J-10 as well, are optimized with two AAMs onboard. In other words they fly better with those two AAMs---even if they're dead weight---than without them.

That's really neat. I'm guessing they work like winglets.

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It sure makes sense to optimize the plane for a loaded configuration. When missiles are gone the plane will only be thinking of flying back to base.

 

[kursed]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread

Any ideas if Chengdu plans on putting up IRST on the FC-1, in the future?

 

[crobato]

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Its an option, and this will depend on the customer.

The plane does appear to have an optical MAWS standard.

 

[kursed]

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Understood. Now I've got a couple of more questions in relation with the EW countermeasures suite on the FC-1.

1. We know that 'focused interference' against enemy radar and the seeker of the incoming missile is being touted as a major component of FC-1's EW countermeasures suite. Now up till now I've not heard of a single 'non-AESA' radar capable of doing the same (correct me if I'm wrong). Any ideas as to what sort of a solution is being implemented on the FC-1?

2. Is China capable of integrating DRFM technology into FC-1's EW countermeasures suite?

 

[crobato]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread

We got no idea. That stuff is usually in the highly confidential domain.

I can only guess that on no.1 EW suite may be using solid state (MMIC based) emitters to do this.

On no.2, DRFM (Digital Radio Frequency Memory for those unfamiliar with the jargon) does not strike me as something that is very hard to do, however.

 

[tphuang]

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Interestingly enough, I found a really informative article on JF-17 and PAF on Kanwa, a little summary is as follows:
# Chinese AEW and Erieye will both be procured, PAF regards Erieye as AEW&C and Chinese AEW as AWACS, may point to Chinese one having more functionality.
# JF-17 is not enough to fulfill the requirements of PAF, that's why PAF is also negotiating with China to get J-10, which will be designated as FC-20. However, PAF is not going to restrict itself to just one source, so it may still buy more F-16s.
# JF-17s will definitely be in Pakistan prior to March 23rd.
# The radar is a competition bw lab 14 and 607 right now, although European radar may get into the competition in the future.
# As I predicted, the first 8 JF-17s, which are to be delivered by the end of this year, will all be using lab 607 radar.
# PAF is still evaluating the weapons package, not restricting themselves to just Chinese ones
# RD-93 engine is definitely not an issue contrary to Internet reports
# Pakistan will start JF-17 production in 2008
# 150 is just the first order of JF-17, there will be more orders from Pakistan.

I'm trying to get the entire translation, all the scanned photos of that article and more on my blog at

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more JF-17 stuff from that issue of kanwa getting translated:

# Originally expected the Chinese radar to be KLJ-10, but that's not the case
# Galileo Avionica still wishes to win JF-17 contract due to their success with F-7PG. They believe that Pakistan is getting Chinese radar firm to fight out first and then getting the winner to fight out with Western radar firms.
# China has offered a weapon package of SD-10, LT-2 and LS-6, but PAF has yet to finalize on their plans.
# Starting from January 2008, PAC will produce 15-20 JF-17s per year. Current plan is 15 for 2008 and 20 for 2009. Finally hopes for 50% of JF-17 production in PAC.
# PAC wishes to be able to do repairs on RD-93 in the future.
# Pakistan wishes to eventually have a full digit quadriplex FBW system.
# Norinco displayed a 500kg LGB called GB-1 in IDEAS 2006, similar to Krasnopol, which they somehow developed for guiding artillery and aerial bombs.
# Norinco is not only trying to sell it for JF-17 but also A-5. At this point PAF thinks A-5 is about to retire, so has no interest in putting it on there.
# GB1 bomb is similar in out appearance to LT-2, but with different guidance.
# PAF got GBU-12 (paveway LGBs) from US and also the license production for GBU-12's laser guidance pod. LT-2 and GBU-12 are pretty much from the same generation, so LT-2 is facing "domestic" competition.

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[crobato]

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Some google translation for the TK-12 helmets.

This is the latest online exposure photographs of a Xiaolong fighters, form seems trivial, but found it carefully. This Amazing! Cockpit pilots wear helmets or TK2 Venturi further than previous products. Instead, the legendary J matching helmet ， TK12. This will give people at least two aspects : First, the hint ， TK12 Helmets has made a series of the third generation machine began to change. will be used as a standard helmet, but it is certain ， TK12 helmet aiming device combination with the function. Furthermore, the expansion will include functions such as night vision helmet significantly more convenient, or that those in need can Guashangqu. As for the pilots flying dragons with this helmet, probably as dragons supporting the use of domestic missiles bars. Of course, when a transportation minibuses and let the past eight plate matching JF-17 could get much better, the way, In this connection, this map is little more than a well-known domestic flights in China, Li J previous images. Li Zhonghua map of the hand is still bandit ZSH7 helmets, and the Soviet Union that our system of the kind commonly used in the pilot helmet. This should not be a Westerner to use the helmet to fly fighters, estimated purely for the sake of gaining a helmet photography casually swing state. Helmets departments also think about the new high-grade products ， TK12 weapon countries is not easy for outsiders to bars, But they did not expect the military forces fan Mun-own fans behind the two J-2 missiles PL8 missile practice can be certain that the lateral, medial PL12 judgment of the missile. PL8 early-popular new models have improved linear array seeker, Although the front AIM9X almost over, but compared to previous guidance of the old head. In such interference will be greatly improved performance. 128*128 front and made the first two-color image guidance products have been on public display, this one, Improved targeting with the new head of the missile-fighting initiative first PL8 the PL12 which will be made from the shells of two powerful new machines the fist, with the support KJ2000 models supporting combat capability is very significant ~! Description : This is the bandit - is the new helmet, tell the truth, It still looks heavy or third generation machine, the bandit ~ ~ helmets only for the Soviet army between the fighters, The helmet made compared with a more agile maneuverability, and we are in pursuit of high-performance, multi-function, The helmet is embodied in the development of Europe and the United States closer to the path of development, and trying to learn more than short, Our ultimate goal is to develop the Joint Indicating System.

 

[kursed]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread

What exactly does the following mean?

Of course, when a transportation minibuses and let the past eight plate matching JF-17 could get much better, the way, In this connection, this map is little more than a well-known domestic flights in China, Li J previous images.

 

[crobato]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread

Ignore it. I probably copied and pasted some of the labels on the illustrations of the web page along, and they got translated with it.

 

[Diving Falcon]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread

The PAF has yet to decide on the helmet-mounted sight & display system it will choose. However a member on PakDef has hinted that it may be something based off the Denel Archer.