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Xsizor

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This exo-skelton looks as if it is close to mass production stage :).

Can one expect to see it deployed on SDF units? I think any/all kind of exosuits with so many moving parts, exposed to external elements might become a burden soon enough on active deployment. By that measures alone, the potential rewards of exosuits might be overwhelmed by their drawbacks (maintenance and costs of procurement). I can however see some places where exosuits will come in handy - Aboard Aircraft Carrier and Military bases. Exosuits might help with loading missiles, Shells and Lightweight torpedoes.
 

SamuraiBlue

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Can one expect to see it deployed on SDF units? I think any/all kind of exosuits with so many moving parts, exposed to external elements might become a burden soon enough on active deployment. By that measures alone, the potential rewards of exosuits might be overwhelmed by their drawbacks (maintenance and costs of procurement). I can however see some places where exosuits will come in handy - Aboard Aircraft Carrier and Military bases. Exosuits might help with loading missiles, Shells and Lightweight torpedoes.
Have you actually gone through the entire vid?
With in it, the vid shows that the suit is tested and compliant to waterproof standard IPX 5/7 and, compliant to dustproof standard IP5X. It's basically at the same level as the Toughbook PCs that are used by the US army in field/battle conditions.
 

Xsizor

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Japan has commissioned its Shikishima class patrol vessel -PLH 33 Reimei - which was launched in March 8 , 2019.
The commissioning took place on December 2019.
Originally planned to be a vessel for transporting Spent Nuclear fuel, the Shikijima class was again put into production by the start of the previous decade considering new developments in the region.
Japan has employed, through this class of ships, the largest Coast Guard Patrol vessels in the world for almost two decades (1990 to 2010). The full load of these ships seem to be 9300 tons.

It wasn't until the CCG 2901 and CCG 3901 was put into service that the title for the largest Coast Guard Vessel went to China. South Korea too launched a ship comparable to that of the PLH 33 Reimei - although its displacemnt was smaller than the Shikishima class vessel. Read more about these developments here
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Xsizor

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Have you actually gone through the entire vid?
With in it, the vid shows that the suit is tested and compliant to waterproof standard IPX 5/7 and, compliant to dustproof standard IP5X. It's basically at the same level as the Toughbook PCs that are used by the US army in field/battle conditions.
Toughbooks and exoskeletons are different. One doesn't use toughbooks for carrying a human being. Costs of procurement and maintainance will dictate that these exoskeletons would be reserved for the very niche of application and forces. Anyway - good development concerning JSDF forces, since it will help a lot in rescuing civilians during Natural Calamities.
 

SamuraiBlue

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Toughbooks and exoskeletons are different. One doesn't use toughbooks for carrying a human being. Costs of procurement and maintainance will dictate that these exoskeletons would be reserved for the very niche of application and forces. Anyway - good development concerning JSDF forces, since it will help a lot in rescuing civilians during Natural Calamities.
There are no difference in terms of compliant to various standards. When passing those standards it means it is made rugged in which it maintains high resistance to water and/or dust getting in to components which FORCES REQUIREMENT OF MAINTENANCE.
 

Jura

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We all appreciate you are doing your best to be fair in your moderation. No question there.


I wish to interject regarding your views on the F-3 project.

All projects of a similar nature will thrive or die on their respective merits and circumstances. In other words their path forward is primarily independent of whatever happens to the other projects e.g. Tempest.

Among the bunch out there I believe the F-3 will have the greatest potential to fruition. Japan is looking at a replacement for its F-2. There is a specific requirement and not a want. Through the years Japan has looked at different options and essentially is where it is today by default due to a process of elimination. So far it appears to me (through its different sub programs) it is meticulously moving towards basically an indigenous program and possibly supplemented by external technology insertion where meaningful to its program. Its steps are carefully crafted and funded unlike the Indian bureaucratic nightmare of indecisiveness. I see resolved at the program level but the political support and momentum is still an unknown particularly when the chips are down in regards to cost. Politics of democratic nations and Japan is no exception is still subject to the political wind. However given China's assertiveness which will likely ramp up rather than down will only provide wind for the program.
the Japanese saved like $4b by buying Aegis Ashore instead of THAAD for BMD coverage of the archipelago
May 9, 2018
from what I figured

(links here are
Dec 19, 2017
and
Jan 3, 2018 )

Japan is to get two AEGIS Ashore installations for about $2b (includes about $400m for SM-6 missiles), since this
way it's cheaper to cover its whole territory than to buy at least six THAAD batteries which are in excess of $1b EACH
so I can't imagine they'd spend one order of magnitude more than that for a development of your aircraft
Japan wants a long legged air superiority platform with a high load out.

It has the technical capability (in conjunction with interested partners) and the financial resources The only thing lacking is the political will but China will be a willing partner by pushing Japan in that direction..
 

Brumby

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the Japanese saved like $4b by buying Aegis Ashore instead of THAAD for BMD coverage of the archipelago
May 9, 2018

so I can't imagine they'd spend one order of magnitude more than that for a development of your aircraft
I am not sure why you are constantly bringing up the fact that Japan saved $4.0 Billion on its missile defense. I seem to get the impression that you are attempting to paint a picture that Japan is trying to save every penny because it can't afford to spend. IMO, paying a cent beyond what is necessary is waste Exercising prudence in money management is sound management regardless of which country you live in.

Back to topic. Any discussions require context. I have no intention of getting into silly debates for the sake of it. Japan annually spends more than $45 Billion on its defenses. I expect its budget to get to $48 Billion in 2020. It is no Turkey with its limited budget or the UK which is already at 2% of GDP. Japan has the capacity to increase its military budget provided it has the political support. Currently it spends a shade below 1 % because of politics. In perspective it under spends against most Nato countries based on a percentage of GDP.

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An increase to 1.5 % of GDP and which is still below most major players in Nato will add $24 Billion annually to it spending program. In others words, it has capacity to add to its military spending provided politics is not in the way. In contrast, the UK is at its limit. That is context.

What would be the cost of the F-3 program? If we take the F-22 program as an example, it incurred $67 Billion (2010 dollars) for R & D. That said, the J-20 only spent $4 Billion. Frankly i simply don't believe in Chinese accounting and I will stick to the US as a benchmark. Japan might need to spend between $50 to $80 Billion on the R & D. Will it? Only time will tell.The F-3's planned introduction to service is around 2035 and so it has 15 years to pay for the R & D.
 
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Jura

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I am not sure why you are constantly bringing up the fact that Japan saved $4.0 Billion on its missile defense. I seem to get the impression that you are attempting to paint a picture that Japan is trying to save every penny because it can't afford to spend. IMO, paying a cent beyond what is necessary is waste Exercising prudence in money management is sound management regardless of which country you live in.

Back to topic. Any discussions require context. I have no intention of getting into silly debates for the sake of it. Japan annually spends more than $45 Billion on its defenses. I expect its budget to get to $48 Billion in 2020. It is no Turkey with its limited budget or the UK which is already at 2% of GDP. Japan has the capacity to increase its military budget provided it has the political support. Currently it spends a shade below 1 % because of politics. In perspective it under spends against most Nato countries based on a percentage of GDP.

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An increase to 1.5 % of GDP and which is still below most major players in Nato will add $24 Billion annually to it spending program. In others words, it has capacity to add to its military spending provided politics is not in the way. In contrast, the UK is at its limit. That is context.

What would be the cost of the F-3 program? If we take the F-22 program as an example, it incurred $67 Billion (2010 dollars) for R & D. That said, the J-20 only spent $4 Billion. Frankly i simply don't believe in Chinese accounting and I will stick to the US as a benchmark. Japan might need to spend between $50 to $80 Billion on the R & D. Will it? Only time will tell.The F-3's planned introduction to service is around 2035 and so it has 15 years to pay for the R & D.
should it happen ("it" = Japan spending $50b+ on the development of next-gen fighter aircraft), how many copies would be procured?

I've now checked wiki to see there're "94 production aircraft" of
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so if F-2s were to be replaced on one-to-one basis by the new aircraft, it'd mean like half of billion dollars per copy in just development cost;

I'll leave the rest for any body reading this
 

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