J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

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siegecrossbow

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Discuss the J-20 and J-20 related developments on this thread. Any other off topic comments will be deleted and the poster punished!
 

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Russia: F-20 fully self-development with all key performance 4th generation machine

According to the Russian military news network reported on September 1, the recent Russian and Western media hype China in the development of 5th generation fighter aircraft F -20 MiG 1.44 project may use the technology topics, Mikoyan Design Bureau, vice president and project director of the Center Barr Khodorkovsky told Canada, "Chinese Defense Review," interview that China's MiG 1.44 is indeed very interested, but Russia is definitely not related to technology transfer to China.

Russia has accused Western media may be transferred to the Chinese 5th generation fighter technology, because F MiG -20 and the mid-1990s the company developed the 1.44 aerodynamic testing on the sample machine is quite similar, including the lengthening of the fuselage, front wings, belly vertical stabilizer and so on. Mikoyan Design Bureau Engineering Center vice president and director of Barr Khodorkovsky recently pointed out, the MiG 1.44 is in the mid-1990s, public appearance, when China does this expressed a strong interest in the aircraft to Russia sent a delegation of experts want more comprehensive and detailed study of the MiG 1.44 project. But the Mikoyan Design Bureau has never had this issue with the Chinese negotiations, not even picture the aircraft to the Chinese side, nor did the project introduced to the Chinese, but not in front of the Chinese people conducted flight demonstrations. Mikoyan Design Bureau, China was being re-designed the help of JF-17 "Fierce Dragon" fighter, the last of its aerodynamic layout of a comprehensive in-depth improvement, so that JF-17 MiG-21 out of almost all the features.

Whether the use of these opportunities for the Chinese MiG 1.44 has been the question of individual drawings, Barr Khodorkovsky think it is absolutely impossible, because the Russian confidential technical information of all the implementation of strict control, only common exceptions to the implementation of individual bilateral projects, China did not have any opportunity to establish contacts, MiG 1.44 project received any technical information. And this system is not only for China, as early as in the former Soviet Union, the relevant staff to undergo rigorous and systematic monitoring of confidentiality. He added: " Chinese people can not make this imitation, that imitation products based on previous (future) combat aircraft. Perhaps, similar to the generic only for the prospect of combat aircraft, I think, on the whole, with the next generation of F -20 fighter of all key performance you can see some of the F-35 components, machine parts are exactly like the first F-22, there are features of the T-50 in combat aircraft design, the Chinese people to the Soviet Union has grown up gradually based on a system In fact, this is a very good start. This combat aircraft design is acceptable, it takes into account the actual situation in China. "

Barr Khodorkovsky stressed that the 5th generation fighter aircraft are usually not before the modern wing, because it may affect the aircraft's stealth performance. He said: "The main principle of any aviation designer and then a compromise is a compromise. Consider this a factor, other factors will be much reduced. Not very good in each direction. As for stealth, but also what standards? In my view, the task is -20 F layout type determined by the air, according to my observations, not only for -20 F air superiority fighter, it could be multi-role fighters, I think, a vital aspect of F -20 T-50 flight a year in public appearance after the fact, it emphasizes a situation in which the Chinese people now realize their fighter project. "

Russian experts believe that, from the aerodynamic characteristics of -20 F, and the front wings and belly vertical stabilizer to use, one can see that F -20 is a full sense of the modern fighter. In other words, this design aims to improve supersonic flight capacity, improve mobility, the belly of the aircraft vertical stabilizer helps to maintain the stability of high-speed flight. The engine thrust problem, it is unclear what is installed F -20 type of engine, or by which the engine speed to ensure that supersonic flight. However, the overall project design method shows that China attaches great importance to designers of supersonic flight capability -20 F, and further development of its future lay a solid foundation. (Compiled: Shu-shan)
 
FYI (In Detail)

Google Translation:

Russia: F-20 fully self-development with all key performance 4th generation machine

According to the Russian military news network reported on September 1, the recent Russian and Western media hype China in the development of 5th generation fighter aircraft F -20 MiG 1.44 project may use the technology topics, Mikoyan Design Bureau, vice president and project director of the Center Barr Khodorkovsky told Canada, "Chinese Defense Review," interview that China's MiG 1.44 is indeed very interested, but Russia is definitely not related to technology transfer to China.

Russia has accused Western media may be transferred to the Chinese 5th generation fighter technology, because F MiG -20 and the mid-1990s the company developed the 1.44 aerodynamic testing on the sample machine is quite similar, including the lengthening of the fuselage, front wings, belly vertical stabilizer and so on. Mikoyan Design Bureau Engineering Center vice president and director of Barr Khodorkovsky recently pointed out, the MiG 1.44 is in the mid-1990s, public appearance, when China does this expressed a strong interest in the aircraft to Russia sent a delegation of experts want more comprehensive and detailed study of the MiG 1.44 project. But the Mikoyan Design Bureau has never had this issue with the Chinese negotiations, not even picture the aircraft to the Chinese side, nor did the project introduced to the Chinese, but not in front of the Chinese people conducted flight demonstrations. Mikoyan Design Bureau, China was being re-designed the help of JF-17 "Fierce Dragon" fighter, the last of its aerodynamic layout of a comprehensive in-depth improvement, so that JF-17 MiG-21 out of almost all the features.

Whether the use of these opportunities for the Chinese MiG 1.44 has been the question of individual drawings, Barr Khodorkovsky think it is absolutely impossible, because the Russian confidential technical information of all the implementation of strict control, only common exceptions to the implementation of individual bilateral projects, China did not have any opportunity to establish contacts, MiG 1.44 project received any technical information. And this system is not only for China, as early as in the former Soviet Union, the relevant staff to undergo rigorous and systematic monitoring of confidentiality. He added: " Chinese people can not make this imitation, that imitation products based on previous (future) combat aircraft. Perhaps, similar to the generic only for the prospect of combat aircraft, I think, on the whole, with the next generation of F -20 fighter of all key performance you can see some of the F-35 components, machine parts are exactly like the first F-22, there are features of the T-50 in combat aircraft design, the Chinese people to the Soviet Union has grown up gradually based on a system In fact, this is a very good start. This combat aircraft design is acceptable, it takes into account the actual situation in China. "

Barr Khodorkovsky stressed that the 5th generation fighter aircraft are usually not before the modern wing, because it may affect the aircraft's stealth performance. He said: "The main principle of any aviation designer and then a compromise is a compromise. Consider this a factor, other factors will be much reduced. Not very good in each direction. As for stealth, but also what standards? In my view, the task is -20 F layout type determined by the air, according to my observations, not only for -20 F air superiority fighter, it could be multi-role fighters, I think, a vital aspect of F -20 T-50 flight a year in public appearance after the fact, it emphasizes a situation in which the Chinese people now realize their fighter project. "

Russian experts believe that, from the aerodynamic characteristics of -20 F, and the front wings and belly vertical stabilizer to use, one can see that F -20 is a full sense of the modern fighter. In other words, this design aims to improve supersonic flight capacity, improve mobility, the belly of the aircraft vertical stabilizer helps to maintain the stability of high-speed flight. The engine thrust problem, it is unclear what is installed F -20 type of engine, or by which the engine speed to ensure that supersonic flight. However, the overall project design method shows that China attaches great importance to designers of supersonic flight capability -20 F, and further development of its future lay a solid foundation. (Compiled: Shu-shan)

Although reading this is no different from reading the works of someone who doesn't know English, I can still make out what it's trying to say for most part. Now with even the Migs themselves coming out officially to deny any forms of copycat, that's one more slap to the naysayers' faces.
 

AssassinsMace

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It seems that a lot pics we see actually are captured from video. So where's this one?

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Lion

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Although reading this is no different from reading the works of someone who doesn't know English, I can still make out what it's trying to say for most part. Now with even the Migs themselves coming out officially to deny any forms of copycat, that's one more slap to the naysayers' faces.

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Russia has never transferred any stealth technology to China to assist it with its J-20 Black Eagle fifth-generation stealth fighter prototype, Russian plane maker MiG said on Friday.

"We are not delivering any equipment to China, and never have," MiG spokeswoman Yelena Fyodorova said.

MiG's statement follows claims in the Russian and foreign press last week that China's J-20, unveiled over six months ago, is based on technology and components from the Russian Mikoyan Article 1.44, a stealth technology demonstrator aircraft, development of which was suspended.

Some analysts say the aircraft have close similarities.

"The back end of the J-20 looks awfully like the 1.44, as does the overall layout with delta canards," said Douglas Barrie, an air warfare specialist at the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies.

"If it's a coincidence, it's a striking one. Russia may have provided technical support, but there is nothing substantial to prove that. China has however relied on Russia for much of its defense procurement for a decade and a half," he added.

China's J-20 Black Eagle is thought to be conceptually similar to the U.S. F-22 Raptor and the Russian T-50 jets, but is likely to be just a technology demonstrator or prototype rather than a viable fighter.

China has been working on a future fighter program since the mid-1990s, but the J-20 is not expected to enter service before 2018-2020.

Earlier in the month, Mikhail Pogosyan, the head of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation said that China's fifth-generation fighter program is more for effect than substance and branded the maiden flight as a "show-off."

China relied on the Soviet Union for much of its aviation technology until the Sino-Soviet split after 1961. China then carried on developing copies of Soviet and Russian aircraft.

Beijing also relies on Russian engines, radars and electronic components for many of its other aircraft, such as the JF-17 fighter it developed jointly with Pakistan.

I heard PT-04 of JF-17 has fly with WS-13.. Anybody can comfiirmed that?
 
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