J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII


Inst

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I don't see the fundamental problem with the claims, except that the reporter has made questionable comments in the past. It's plausible that the Chinese rushed TVC for the J-20 since other modifications to the J-20A require the WS-15. Doing the TVC now would allow the Chinese to master the tweaking of the flight control system before the WS-15 is ready, and TVC would add to the J-20's capabilities even if it adds weight.

The only problem is that it comes from Minnie Chain, so the claim can't be trusted without further verification.
 

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China’s stealth fighter goes into mass production after thrust upgrade
  • The J-20B has overcome agility problems to finally be considered a fully fledged fifth-generation fighter, military source says
  • Aircraft still will be fitted with Russian engine but ‘Chinese version could be ready in a year or two’
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I think they can duplicate Su-35's engine which they have. J-20 will get major power boost + 3D TVC.
 

Deino

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I don't see the fundamental problem with the claims, except that the reporter has made questionable comments in the past. It's plausible that the Chinese rushed TVC for the J-20 since other modifications to the J-20A require the WS-15. Doing the TVC now would allow the Chinese to master the tweaking of the flight control system before the WS-15 is ready, and TVC would add to the J-20's capabilities even if it adds weight.

The only problem is that it comes from Minnie Chain, so the claim can't be trusted without further verification.

No, and in fact I'm even more surprised that you support your BS!


Sorry to say so, but either she was bored again or I don't know what again she smoked!
smokin


May I ask how these contradictions fit together?

- again based on her "unknown source close to..."
- we know since mid-2019 that no J-20 has been built with AL-31FN but are usung WS-10C since then and she tells us they are using still Russian AL-31FNs?!!
- why a TVC-AL-31FN if the WS-10B-3 was demonstrated in Zhuhai 2018 already?
- already in 2018 she noted the J-20 is using the WS-10B (which also was wrong then:
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- and even earlier she mentioned the J-20 would already use serial WS-15s.
screwy


That all does not fit and contradicts all we know.

I think they can duplicate Su-35's engine which they have. J-20 will get major power boost + 3D TVC.

Simply NO!
 

Inst

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No, and in fact I'm even more surprised that you support your BS!


Sorry to say so, but either she was bored again or I don't know what again she smoked!
smokin


May I ask how these contradictions fit together?

- again based on her "unknown source close to..."
- we know since mid-2019 that no J-20 has been built with AL-31FN but are usung WS-10C since then and she tells us they are using still Russian AL-31FNs?!!
- why a TVC-AL-31FN if the WS-10B-3 was demonstrated in Zhuhai 2018 already?
- already in 2018 she noted the J-20 is using the WS-10B (which also was wrong then:
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- and even earlier she mentioned the J-20 would already use serial WS-15s.
screwy


That all does not fit and contradicts all we know.




Simply NO!
I frankly think what's going on with Minnie Chan is that she has an insider source that delights in feeding her random nonsense. The point is that as she's with SCMP, she's considered a reputable journalist so other sources will pick up on Minnie Chan's reports no matter how contradictory they are.

So, if the PLAAF wants to convince people that the J-20 is ready for mass production and will get TVC, while the actual proposed J-20B is still in development, they have their insider source "leak" stuff to Minnie.

So let's see who re-reports the Minnie Chan claims as that seems to be the entire goal with her.

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Vietnamese media rereported the SCMP claim,

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Korean media rereported the SCMP claim

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Indonesians rereported the SCMP claim
 
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Inst

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But my general point is that if Minnie Chan says something, it doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. The claims of a J-20B with WS-10 / AL-31F using a TVC nozzle is plausible, given that the Chinese have, #1, delays with the WS-15 project, and #2, successfully tested a TVC nozzle on a J-10C and are testing it on the J-20. It's just that given that Minnie Chan is unreliable, we are better off looking for corroboration from other sources before we can conclude the J-20B is in fact ready for mass production and will sport TVC.

So the first thing I did was to take a look at CJDBY's forums, and there's no reports. Thus, we file this under the "unsubstantiated rumors" category, even though it's plausible.
 

Figaro

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But my general point is that if Minnie Chan says something, it doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. The claims of a J-20B with WS-10 / AL-31F using a TVC nozzle is plausible, given that the Chinese have, #1, delays with the WS-15 project, and #2, successfully tested a TVC nozzle on a J-10C and are testing it on the J-20. It's just that given that Minnie Chan is unreliable, we are better off looking for corroboration from other sources before we can conclude the J-20B is in fact ready for mass production and will sport TVC.

So the first thing I did was to take a look at CJDBY's forums, and there's no reports. Thus, we file this under the "unsubstantiated rumors" category, even though it's plausible.
I'm sorry but Minnie Chan literally claimed that the J-20B just entered mass production with a thrust vectoring AL-31. In what ways is Minnie Chan not wrong here? Her article is a heap of false information and self-contradictory statements.
Aircraft still will be fitted with Russian engine but ‘Chinese version could be ready in a year or two’
“Mass production of the J-20B started on Wednesday. It has finally become a complete stealth fighter jet, with its agility meeting the original criteria,” the source said.


“The most significant change to the fighter jet is that it is now equipped with thrust vector control.”
 

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