J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Londo Molari]

The scale of the 2 people standing under the aircraft look fine to me, just look at this

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It could of course still be PS'd. Remember, if the artist is any good, you will NOT BE ABLE TO TELL its PS. That said, I do see sudden changes in color at every new feature, even the lower rear stabilizers.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Comparing those two photos is inconclusive. The very clear shot has the guys standing in what looks like inbetween sized up against the J-10 next over. In the photo of the supposed J-10B they're standing right next to it.

 

[Blitzo]

Comparing those two photos is inconclusive. The very clear shot has the guys standing in what looks like inbetween sized up against the J-10 next over. In the photo of the supposed J-10B they're standing right next to it.

Well I do'nt know much about photography. But for the photo Londo Molari gave us, you can use the four PLA soldiers standing in green camoflauge next to the each of the J-10's air intakes. (Are these the people you say standing inbetween sized up? your explanation wasn't very clear, sorry)
If you measure the size of one of the people in green next to the intake on the J-10 photo and double it's height, it goes to about the size of the canopy.
If we assume the J-10B photo's person on left is crouching a bit (or at least not at attention/ease like the men in green) and add maybe a millimeter or half to it, and then double it's height then it reaches the canopy more or less as well.
I did it with my fingers, not the most accurate way, but I find it fast and effective =P.

 

[pla101prc]

Crobato, you know there are too many fake pix of PLA on the Chinese forums, that makes me careful before I decide to believe any new pix. Though this one was given high credibility, I think we better be patient, and wait a little more before we draw any conclusion. Personally, I really don't like the DSI installed J10 (in the pix), it looks weird. IRST is great and I also hope they can get a more powerful engine, some 150KN thrust for example, even though this is hard.

A few minutes later:


I copied this from sina.com. Somebody concluded that it is a PSed. It generally said:
1. The speed measure tube is too big
2. The pennant number looks modified
3. Inlet has different color with the body
4. The canopy has a white spot which shouldn't appear in the weather condition of the pix
5. The rear part of the missile looks pale which is not consistent with the whole aircraft
6. The most serious mistake is the scale of people stand near by the aircraft. That bird looks too big?

it looks pretty real to me. but if it is fake, the perpetrator is pretty damn good.
the white spot on the canopy cant be a helmet its too big to be a helmet.
and i dont know if those things next to the landing gear are people, but the white spot is definitely too small compared to the "body" to be a helmet. so assume that the person was bending over for reasons we do not wanna know, then the scale is correct.
the most important thing is, if this is PSed then there must be an original version flowing around on the internet somewhere, the body hasnt been painted which means it might be going through some kind of a test or something, which means that you prolly cant just take a camera, take the photo and then PS it on your computer.

ps. in the second set of photos posted by crobato, we see that dome thing behind the canopy was gone, but in the first set of photos it was still there. now assume that all of the four photos were "PSed" by the same person, i think it was took obvious for him not to notice that. but then again you can also used that to discredit the photo, works both ways

 

[Blitzo]

it looks pretty real to me. but if it is fake, the perpetrator is pretty damn good.
the white spot on the canopy cant be a helmet its too big to be a helmet.
and i dont know if those things next to the landing gear are people, but the white spot is definitely too small compared to the "body" to be a helmet. so assume that the person was bending over for reasons we do not wanna know, then the scale is correct.
the most important thing is, if this is PSed then there must be an original version flowing around on the internet somewhere, the body hasnt been painted which means it might be going through some kind of a test or something, which means that you prolly cant just take a camera, take the photo and then PS it on your computer.

I didn't mean canopy, I meant on the left person's head. One can only just make it out.

If this is a PS, using the idea that there was an original copy, it could have been from a prototype of the basic J-10.

The only thing which makes me kind of skeptical is the fact that on the tail, the green stripes are in the exact same places. But then again, it's only colour. Not sure how important it is..

 

[AssassinsMace]

Well I do'nt know much about photography. But for the photo Londo Molari gave us, you can use the four PLA soldiers standing in green camoflauge next to the each of the J-10's air intakes. (Are these the people you say standing inbetween sized up? your explanation wasn't very clear, sorry)
If you measure the size of one of the people in green next to the intake on the J-10 photo and double it's height, it goes to about the size of the canopy.
If we assume the J-10B photo's person on left is crouching a bit (or at least not at attention/ease like the men in green) and add maybe a millimeter or half to it, and then double it's height then it reaches the canopy more or less as well.
I did it with my fingers, not the most accurate way, but I find it fast and effective =P.

Really doesn't matter where they're are standing in the clear shot. They're definitely standing away from the J-10 unlike in the J-10B shot where they're standing next to the intake at scale. One guy there isn't crouched. In the clear shot they're not standing next to the J-10 so they're going to look bigger than the J-10 in the background. But like I said... it's inclusive because we don't know if it's a fake J-10B.

 

[SteelBird]

I have two points: First, do you guys notice the frame of the canopy of the J-10B (we temporary call it J-10B for the ease of discussion), it seems to be too thick, right? Second, logically do you think it's time that J-10B should come out and with all new feature found on the pix? Especially, DSI inlet is what I doubt the most. I remember pix of J-10 and J-xx with DSI exactly like the pix above was out on the Internet quite some years ago.

 

[crobato]

I suppose it may not be a person, it's hard to tell. But it looks like there is someone standing in front of the landing gear on this photo, wearing a yellow hard hat.

If it's not a person, then I believe the photo is real. But it looks like a person to me.

I checked that out. What you think is a person is not a person. But rather what appears to be two persons is actually a single entity, sort of like a ladder with four legs.

That thing you think is the helmet of the first person closest to the landing gear isn't a helmet but actually the warning spotlight. Take a look at the other J-10 in Blitzo's picture, and you see the same spotlight at the exact same position.

 

[Quickie]

The size of the nose section including the cockpit and the nose cone looks to be too small compared to the rest of the body. Not a good idea if you want to have the advantage of a bigger radar and more room for the avionics.

I'm convinced now it's not the real-thing and that some of the features are PSed especially the DSI (bearing in mind it could still be a PSed picture done during the prototyping stage, which is unlikely the case now, IMO.)

 

[crobato]

I had the same thoughts about the radar size and room for avionics. Though all that reduction in size would put it in the F-16 class, and you would have to improve the systems through miniaturization.

On the other hand, if the plane had DSI and there was no change in the nose, then it becomes more dubious. You do need to flatten the underside of the nose otherwise you will have aerodynamic problems related to boundary layer between the gap made from the intake and the shape of the nose. If the J-10 kept a flat underside nose with an oval radome, the gap would be less and there would be no need for those ugly straps hanging in the intake. Those straps alone would have given you some motivation to redesign the intake.