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Thailand Sending Pilots To China Testing Out J-10 Fighters
As last year's May 22 coup has prompted the US to turn a cold shoulder to the Prayut administration, Thailand and China have intensified their relationship in what is being called a marriage of convenience.
Unlike Washington, Beijing has impressed Thailand's military rulers with understanding and support. The South China Sea conflicts are the major reason for China seeking a closer friendship with Thailand.</p>
The two countries kicked off a new era in their relationship with exchanges of visits between Deputy Prime Minister Prawit Wongsuwon and his Chinese&nbsp;counterpart who offered to sell arms to Thailand at special prices. Both sides are also looking at working together on military&nbsp;research and development programmes through the Defence Technology Institute.
Apart from technical cooperation, both sides are taking part in joint exercises, and contemplating military arms deals. Gen Prawit, in particular, backed a proposal by the Chinese government that both countries engage in a joint air exercise.
The first round of this exercise, which the two sides have talked about for years, took place last November, with four Chinese J10 pilots learning to use the Thai air force's Gripen jets.
In fact, the Thai air force's decision to match China's J10 in the air exercise with Swedish-made Gripen, instead of of its F16 jets, had sparked speculation Thailand did not want to upset the US.
However, sources said the decision was purely technical as both the J10 and Gripen belong to the so-called 4.5th generation of jets while F16 is a 4th-generation jet.
During the next round of air drills scheduled for May, the Thai air force will send two Gripen pilots from the Surat Thani-based 7th Squadron to China to train on the J10 aircraft.
This follows visits by China's August 1st squadron officers late last month after attending the LIMA Air Show in Malaysia.
The air exercise is being undertaken at a steady pace, partly because both sides must learn to eradicate language barriers. Eventually, the two air forces hope to establish a joint exercise under the code name "Lightning Strike".
The army and the marines are also joining the push for joint exercises. The army initiated an annual exercise, "Strike" with each side taking turns as host, while the marines are to undertake a drill under the code name "Blue Strike" which is scheduled to take place every two years.&nbsp;
Chinese leaders have insisted the two countries should join military drills, much the same as the Thai-US Cobra Gold exercise. Some look forward to what could be dubbed "Dragon Gold".
In addition to the military exercise, the two countries are expected to enter arms deals with each other. China is one of three contenders proposing submarines for the navy for consideration, together with those from South Korea and Germany which are smaller.
The committee considering the submarine purchase said it liked the look of the diesel-powered submarines from China which cost 360 billion baht for two.
Apart from the Chinese submarines, the military is also eyeing L15 fighter jets from China for training which are to replace the aging L39 fleet that has been in service for about 30 years. Other models that are being considered include the T50 from South Korea, the M346 from Italy, the YAK30 from Russia and the Scorpion from the US.
It remains to be seen if the closer relationship with China will result in more Chinese weapons and military devices in service.

Wassana Nanuam is a senior news reporter covering military affairs for the Bangkok Post.

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Since the J-10 Thread III has over 500 pages, it's time to start a new J-10 IV Thread.

I will start by referring to the Popular Science Article ont he J-10B, and then posting some pictures of the J-10B

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Popular Science said:
This J-10B prototype, 1035, is installed with an indigenous WS-10B turbofan engine with a the bright silver afterburner nozzle, which makes it a completely Chinese fighter. However, the PLAAF choose to install the J-10B with the Russian AL-31FN III due to slightly higher thrust, lower costs and compatibility with existing J-10A logistics and supply chains.

New pictures have emerged of additional production models of the J-10B “Vigorous Dragon” fighter jets, one of the latest planes to equip China’s growing air force (PLAAF).

There are now J-10Bs painted in operational color scheme of the PLAAF, complete with an extended refueling probe on the right side forward of cockpit.

The J-10B differs from the original J-10A model in several ways: active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, integrated jamming pods, IRST sensor, diverterless supersonic intake (DSI), and an uprated AL-31FN Series III turbofan engine. These upgrades give the J-10B increased engine power, infrared detection against stealthy aircraft and increased jamming capability against enemy missiles. In particular, the DSI has two advantages over traditional engine intakes: it saves weight and is more stealthy against radar.

The most important upgrade in the J-10B is its AESA radar, which features a longer range, frequency hopping to foil enemy jamming and higher power to track stealth aircraft (such as the US B-2, F-22, and F-35) at long range. The J-10B also possesses a strong multirole capability-- it can carry both 100km ranged PL-12 air to air missiles and LS-500J laser guided bombs on the same mission. These advanced "4.5+ generation" features places the J-10B in the same class as the F-16 Block 60 (flown only by the UAE), French Rafale, and Eurofighter Typhoon.

The 22nd production model of the J-10B, numbered at "122", rolled off the production line in Chengdu.

The "122" serial number indicates that this fighter is the 22nd J-10B fighter to be produced for the PLAAF; the highest production serial number as of the date of this article = is "124".

Since late 2013, Chengdu Aviation Corporation has begun serial production of the J-10B, which had its first flight in 2008.

Compared to all the other J-10s, which have Russian AL-31FN engines, Number 1035 was fitted with a domestic WS-10B turbofan engine. But the WS-10B was not adopted, likely for cost reasons and in order to streamline logistics. This is potentially significant to the international arms trade. A J-10B powered by the WS-10B would be a completely domestic Chinese fighter, thus bypassing any Russian objections J-10B exports, which could compete with the MiG-35 in foreign markets.
For novices, how to tell the difference between a J-10A and a J-10B?

1. Look at the air intake. The front of the "A" intake is separated from the fuselage. The "B: is faired into the fuselage and represents a DVI intake..

2. Look at the nose in front of the cockpit. The "B" has an IRST sensor. The ""A" does not.

3. Look at the tail (vertical stabilizer). The "B" has a segment that is higher than the "A".

4. Not as visible to the untrained eye, but the "B" has a new AESA radar. The nose cone for the Chinese aircraft usually differs in color for different radars.

There are other differences, but those first three (particular the first two) make it wasy to tell them apart

Here are some more pics. I particularly like the 1st one because it shpws 14 J-10Bs parked together...making it apparent IMHP that this aircraft is operational with the PLAAF.

J-10B aircraft at PLAAF Air Field
J-10A versus J-10B Differences

J-10B Taxiing

J-10BS, tandem seat
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