The thing I kinda hate about the Hong Kong media is that they don't have too high or a moral standard. Saying someone is dead before he/she is dead is considered highly inappropriate in East Asian cultures.
Is Jiang Zemin Dead?
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The thing I kinda hate about the Hong Kong media is that they don't have too high or a moral standard. Saying someone is dead before he/she is dead is considered highly inappropriate in East Asian cultures.
MwRYum
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Face it, Hong Kong is the only place on PRC soil that has such a concentration of anti-government/establishment media as well as political factions that lives on CPC-bashing, and to them Jiang is an icon of their hatred...so you can't really expect them to show "respect" at news of their enemy is dead, eh?
Given how a recent survey in the U.S. reported that over 60 of the Americans believe that it is wrong to cheer the death of someone, even some one who is as big of an a-hole as the OBL, I do expect the people of Hong Kong, who espouse western ideologies and sometimes claim moral superiority over the mainlanders, to show respect to their enemy.
airsuperiority
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I'm proud to be a HK person, but of all things, I think we don't have good traffic sense(although far from as bad as what goes on inside China..), and further more, terribly ashamed/HATE the media to the bones. I'd rate the media(especially the paparazzis) as low as I rate those evil food manufacturers in China, and that's as low as I can get in rating anyone.
MwRYum
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Buddy, that's like putting lipstick on a pig...truth to be told, HK is just a 3rd world hillbillies dressed with Prada shoes and iPad; they called half-arsed protests called civil struggle here and cried police brutality when the highest level of force police displayed were just pepper spray; politician who'd dress in Che's T-shirt but never practice Che's doctrine...
So why won't they cheer at the demise of Jiang? There're 2 newspapers that reins top 2 in circulation in HK - whose stance are anti-gov't/establishment, FYI - and if you read their articles on this news you'd find they were heavily laced with sentiment, not objective as the press should be...bah, objectivity is a dying vertu in today's press anyway.
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airsuperiority
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There maybe a million problems in HK, but WHO THE EFF are you to call us hillbillies?! We, at our worse, are still better than anything you ever will be. We may have the ignorant bunches in our society, but we don't go around degrade an entire society/culture like you do. The fact you called us hillbillies proved how terribly ignorant and pathetic you are.
YOU OWE ME, THE FORUM, AND HONG KONG AN APOLOGY FOR YOUR IGNORANCE.
Oh and I also reported on you. No offense, I didn't think you're that bad before this post. Now, any last bits of respect I've had for you have gone down the toilet. You brought this upon yourself.
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I leave the thread for a few hours and this happens? MwRyum, apologize to airsuperiority.
airsuperiority, reporting the post is the right thing but using personal attacks is not the way to go. I'm going to edit it out.
airsuperiority, reporting the post is the right thing but using personal attacks is not the way to go. I'm going to edit it out.
airsuperiority
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If my words sounded harsh or ethnocentric, I apologize to other members and the mods for my tone. I will also apologize to Seige, other mods, and other members for any use of unnecessary heated replies in my previous post.
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ohhhh maaa gawddd!!!
Yes I think apologising to everyone who had to wade through that pile of sentimental, self serving dodo is probably your best option. Furthermore if you want to embarrass yourself again, please go and do it somewhere else.
Back to topic, I see no mystery here.
Lets assume the Jiang has died, what exactly is the big deal?
The big deal is that as a former head of state, his death would be properly met, with a period of official state mourning. If however a major state celebration had already been planned and set in motion, this would be disrupted and nobody wants to to swap a party for a wake.
Once the 90th Anniversary is over and after a suitable period, the death can be announced and the formal process of mourning can be initiated. Such an action is hardly a Chinese peculiarity, as every nation would do the same to ensure no disruption to major planned state events.
My suspicion is that this is being played up for a very specific reason, which is to try and cast the Chinese leadership in the same mould as is perceived of the old Soviet leadership, when Kremlinologists tried to read the runes and decipher if leaders were dead or not.
This is about trying to colour the impression of the Chinese leadership and state in the minds of the citizens of Western nations and is perhaps a measure of the growing nervousness in Atlantic Capitals, as the Chinese political and economic system increasingly eclipses and surpasses those of the established order.
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