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Chandragupt

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Lmao... but anyways.

Let's take a look at this particular section from the EurAsian Times article that you quoted. That purple bracket is where you obtained (more like copy-then-paste) the proof for your claim of "Tejas has 9-ton payload", which is underlined in red inside the purple box:
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But did you even bother to read anywhere else in the article? Here, take a look at the paragraph just underneath the bolded title, bracketed in the green box in the very same page:
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Did you notice that red underline in the green box? There it says the Tejas has a payload of 3,500 kg, which is 3.5 tons.

3,500 kg (3.5 tons) is MASSIVELY DIFFERENT from 9 tons, you know.

Did the EurAsian Times author of this article not even bother with proof-reading his/her work before publishing this article? How can there be such a drastic clash in data for the exact same thing that he/she is reporting on?

On the other hand, you didn't even figure out (or choose to ignore) such discrepency before taking it as your justification to show that somehow Tejas can carry 9 tons of payload.

Furthermore, as an addendum to @FairAndUnbiased's reply:

Tejas Mk1 has an empty weight of 6500 kg (6.5 tons), and Tejas Mk1A has an empty weight of 5500 kg (5.5 tons), as per your previous post:


The maxium takeoff weight of Tejas Mk1 as per listed by HAL (
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) is 13.5 tons.

13.5 tons maximum takeoff weight - 6.5 tons of empty weight = 7 tons for everything else. So where in the world did you get that extra 2 tons of weight in order to become 9 tons of payload for Tejas Mk1? Disassemble the landing gears? Disassemble the vertical stabilizer? Or disassemble the cockpit and pilot canopy?

Besides, the empty weight of Tejas Mk 1 does not include the pilots and jet fuel. So how are you going to fly the Tejas into the air without pilot and without jet fuel? Magic?

Furthermore, even for Tejas Mk1A with a lighter maximum takeoff weight of 5500 kg (5.5 tons), publically available information indicates that the maximum takeoff weight of Tejas Mk1A is still around 13.5 tons. 13.5 tons maximum takeoff weight - 5.5 tons of empty weight = 8 tons for everything else. Once again, where did you get that extra 1 ton of weight? And where do the weights allocated to the pilots and jet fuel go?

Seriously, please, lol. And frankly speaking, I have not seen any publication elsewhere claiming that Tejas Mk1 and Mk1A have 9 tons of payload, so there's that.
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I think 9 tons is the maximum payload of Tejas MK1A , it can carry 9 tons of weight if the need arise but usually it will carry 5.3 tons (MK1A)
It’s not the only article which claims that Tejas can carry 9 tons of payload the defense analyst Qamar Agha also said that it can carry payload as much as Su30MKI
Remember that the Tejas MK1A is 1000kg lighter than the MK1
The present air launched version of Brahmos weighs 2.65 tons , The Brahmos NG to be installed on Tejas will weigh 1.33 ton
 
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Fulcrum007

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Chandragupt said:
I think 9 tons is the maximum payload of Tejas MK1A , it can carry 9 tons of weight if the need arise but usually it will carry 5.3 tons (MK1A)
It’s not the only article which claims that Tejas can carry 9 tons of payload the defense analyst Qamar Agha also said that it can carry payload as much as Su30MKI
Remember that the Tejas MK1A is 1000kg lighter than the MK1
The present air launched version of Brahmos weighs 2.65 tons , The Brahmos NG to be installed on Tejas will weigh 1.33 ton
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As per HAL brochures, the FOC standard airframes could be loaded to total 5.3T of external stores adhering to the maximum slung-weight clearance for each respective pylon. But at the cost of reduced internal fuel and increased drag which is not desired for a small bird.

The maximum optimum payload configuration on any Tejas I have seen till now is 4.3T in the LSP test models (attachment 2). Please refrain from making unrealistic claims 20230131_122446.jpgScreenshot_2023-01-31-17-22-16-05_99c04817c0de5652397fc8b56c3b3817.jpg
 
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Chandragupt

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Fulcrum007 said:
As per HAL brochures, the FOC standard airframes could be loaded to total 5.3T of external stores adhering to the maximum slung-weight clearance for each respective pylon. But at the cost of reduced internal fuel and increased drag which is not desired for a small bird.

The maximum optimum payload configuration on any Tejas I have seen till now is 4.3T in the LSP test models (attachment 2). Please refrain from making unrealistic claims View attachment 106262View attachment 106263
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Those are not my claims btw
I have read that The weight of Tejas MK1A is 1000kg less than Tejas MK1 so it would be able to carry atleast 6.3 tons of payload
Anyway No fighter jet of such a small size has payload of 5.3 tons
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
Where did you get the 9 ton number?
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9 ton payload is absolutely gigantic for fighter sized planes and is utterly nonphysical given the claimed engine power of the Tejas.
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5300kg for MK1 , The MK1A is 1000kg lighter than MK1 so it would be able to carry 6300kg of payload atleast
no fighter jet in the world of such a small size has this kind of payload carrying capacity
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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Chandragupt said:
I think 9 tons is the maximum payload of Tejas MK1A , it can carry 9 tons of weight if the need arise but usually it will carry 5.3 tons (MK1A)
It’s not the only article which claims that Tejas can carry 9 tons of payload the defense analyst Qamar Agha also said that it can carry payload as much as Su30MKI
Remember that the Tejas MK1A is 1000kg lighter than the MK1
The present air launched version of Brahmos weighs 2.65 tons , The Brahmos NG to be installed on Tejas will weigh 1.33 ton
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Firstly, I agree with @Fulcrum007 here.

Secondly, sure, you can go ask the Indian Air Force to fit 9 tons-worth of payload onto the Tejas MK1A - And witness that Tejas struggle to lift off and/or crash at the end of the runway because it couldn't take off.

Why? Because that Tejas has already went well past its maximum takeoff weight. That thing ain't gonna leave the ground properly, dude.

Besides, you can't just change the maximum takeoff weight of any plane as you like without doing any major changes and redesign to the plane itself. This is the universal rule for the entire aviation world.

Chandragupt said:
Those are not my claims btw
I have read that The weight of Tejas MK1A is 1000kg less than Tejas MK1 so it would be able to carry atleast 6.3 tons of payload
Anyway No fighter jet of such a small size has payload of 5.3 tons
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"Those are not my claims btw"
"I think 9 tons is the maximum payload of Tejas Mk1A"

FFS can you at least keep your words coherent for a moment?

Besides, literally anyone who has amateurish understanding in the aviation world knows that it is pretty much impossible for a fighter jet the size and characteristics of Tejas Mk1 and Mk1A to carry 9 tons of payload, and still being able to fly normally. The laws and principles of physics make sure that doesn't happen.

Please stop daydreaming.
 
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Chandragupt

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Firstly, I agree with @Fulcrum007 here.

Secondly, sure, you can go ask the Indian Air Force to fit 9 tons-worth of payload onto the Tejas MK1A - And witness that Tejas struggle to lift off and/or crash at the end of the runway because it couldn't take off.

Why? Because that Tejas has already went well past its maximum takeoff weight. That thing ain't gonna leave the ground properly, dude.

Besides, you can't just change the maximum takeoff weight of any plane as you like without doing any major changes and redesign to the plane itself. This is the universal rule for the entire aviation world.


"Those are not my claims btw"
"I think 9 tons is the maximum payload of Tejas Mk1A"

FFS can you at least keep your words coherent for a moment?

Besides, literally anyone who has amateurish understanding in the aviation world knows that it is pretty much impossible for a fighter jet the size and characteristics of Tejas Mk1 and Mk1A to carry 9 tons of payload, and still being able to fly normally. The laws and principles of physics make sure that doesn't happen.

Please stop daydreaming.
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Yes and no fighter jet in the world of such a small size has payload carrying capacity of 5.3 tons
Tejas has the highest payload carrying capacity that's my point
 
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It doesn't matter whether Tejas can carry 9 tons of weight or not but the point is that
Tejas MK1 has Payload carrying capacity of 5.3 tons which is already the best for a fighter jet of such a small size
The Tejas MK1A comes with weight reduction of 1000kg further increasing the payload carrying capacity
Small Size , Light Weight , Small RCS (0.5 meter square) , Composite airframe , High Payload carrying capacity , AESA Radar (992 TR Modules) , 4 Axis Digital fly by wire system , In flight refueling Probe and a number of other features are the reason why Tejas is the best fighter jet in it's category these are not my words but the pilots who flew this fighter jet have said it repeatedly that it's the best
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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Chandragupt said:
Yes and no fighter jet in the world of such a small size has payload carrying capacity of 5.3 tons
Tejas has the highest payload carrying capacity that's my point
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Chandragupt said:
It doesn't matter whether Tejas can carry 9 tons of weight or not but the point is that
Tejas MK1 has Payload carrying capacity of 5.3 tons which is already the best for a fighter jet of such a small size
The Tejas MK1A comes with weight reduction of 1000kg further increasing the payload carrying capacity
Small Size , Light Weight , Small RCS (0.5 meter square) , Composite airframe , High Payload carrying capacity , AESA Radar (992 TR Modules) , 4 Axis Digital fly by wire system , In flight refueling Probe and a number of other features are the reason why Tejas is the best fighter jet in it's category these are not my words but the pilots who flew this fighter jet have said it repeatedly that it's the best
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Then please stop bringing that "Tejas can carry 9 tons of payload" claim up, because the claim is totally false. Repeatedly claiming that being the case brings nothing useful to the discussion.
 
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Chandragupt

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
Then please stop bringing that "Tejas can carry 9 tons of payload" claim up, because the claim is totally false. Repeatedly claiming that being the case brings nothing useful to the discussion.
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Fair enough
so all of us have agreed on the point that Tejas MK1 has a Payload carrying capacity of 5.3 tons and MK1A has weight reduction of 1000kg so theoretically it would be able to carry 6.3 tons of payload even if it doesn't carry 6.3 tons of payload it will have increased manneuverability , Increased range and service ceiling because the overall weight has decreased by 1000kg
And we also have agreed that the RCS of Tejas is 0.5 meter square as per the publicly available figures which is best in the entire 4th generation fighters
Tejas MK1A comes equipped with Indian made UTTAM MK2 AESA Radar which will have 992 TR Modules better than the RBE-2 Radar of rafales which have 800 TR Modules
And having Indian Radar and Mission computer means it can carry all kind of weapons and bombs from all around the world except for the Chinese ones
 
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