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Chandragupt

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I was amazed to see Tejas how compact and perfectly designed this fighter jet is The avionics of Tejas , The 4 axis digital fly by wire system , The flight control laws of this jet is best in the world now they're gonna put a single wide area display in the cockpit just like the cockpit of F35
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This very same cockpit will be used in HLFT-42 a low cost all metal fighter jet being developed by India which may use Indian made Kaveri Turbofan engine
This fighter jet would compete with Chinese JF17 and Korean FA50
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It's worth mentioning that JF17 and FA50 are metal body aircrafts Tejas is carbon composite which makes Tejas an expensive aircraft
 

FairAndUnbiased

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The RCS of Tejas has been brought down significantly by modifying shape aspects within the limitations set by aerodynamics. Tejas got one of the best RCS value in the entire 4th generation fighters. Publically available figure is 0.5m2.
The smooth upper wing body blending of Tejas gives it enough Stealth to avoid early detection. This kind of upper body blending is only being seen in later generation fighters from sukhoi, rafale, euro fighter typhoon, F-22, PAKFA, and J-20. This high wing body blending is the hall mark of even the fifth gen fighters, reducing the corner reflections from the awacs radars searching from above resulting in lower RCS with missiles and external sores hidden under the wing.
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Tejas design incorporates a high wing body fuselage blending implemented from behind, resulting in smooth bouncing off of searching radar waves from behind whether they are x band or l band or aesa or mechanical it does not matter. If Tejas flies low hiding its stores no airborne radar will detect it from beyond 120 kms due to 0.3 sq meter rcs
LMAO ok clearly discussing this with you is pointless because you have an ideological understanding of RCS. You were shown the photos and facts. If you want to inhale copium from the country with the most fake news in the world that is up to you. Just understand that copium doesn't win wars.
 

Chandragupt

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LMAO ok clearly discussing this with you is pointless because you have an ideological understanding of RCS. You were shown the photos and facts. If you want to inhale copium from the country with the most fake news in the world that is up to you. Just understand that copium doesn't win wars.
What is the RCS of Tejas ?
 

Fulcrum007

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It's advised to not dwell into areas where amount of credible information with "understanding" is scarce, lest indulge in a spiral of personal grudge-borne motivated assessments and derailing remarks.
 

Chandragupt

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Tejas vs Sukhoi:
Why India’s LCA Tejas Is ‘Definitely Better’ Than Russian Su-30 MKI Jets? Expert Analysis
The Indian aircraft has many advantages over its Russian counterpart, which includes its light-weight and the capacity to carry up to a 9-ton payload. Moreover, the aircraft can fly at a speed of 1.6 to 1.8 Mach at an altitude of 52,000 feet.

Also, the addition of new technologies used in the Tejas – Active Electronic Scanned Radar, BVR missiles, electronic warfare suits, and air-to-air refueling – enhance its capabilities during critical operations.

The Mk 1A can hit enemy aircraft from a much longer distance and has the ability to deceive the enemy radar. It can fly as many weapons and missiles as the Sukhoi aircraft with a heavier weight.
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Tejas can carry up to a 9 ton payload , Su30MKI can carry 8 ton not to mention Tejas is much much smaller than Su30MKI this little fighter jet is indeed the best 4th gen fighter jet in the world
 

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FairAndUnbiased

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Tejas vs Sukhoi:
Why India’s LCA Tejas Is ‘Definitely Better’ Than Russian Su-30 MKI Jets? Expert Analysis
The Indian aircraft has many advantages over its Russian counterpart, which includes its light-weight and the capacity to carry up to a 9-ton payload. Moreover, the aircraft can fly at a speed of 1.6 to 1.8 Mach at an altitude of 52,000 feet.

Also, the addition of new technologies used in the Tejas – Active Electronic Scanned Radar, BVR missiles, electronic warfare suits, and air-to-air refueling – enhance its capabilities during critical operations.

The Mk 1A can hit enemy aircraft from a much longer distance and has the ability to deceive the enemy radar. It can fly as many weapons and missiles as the Sukhoi aircraft with a heavier weight.
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Tejas can carry up to a 9 ton payload , Su30MKI can carry 8 ton not to mention Tejas is much much smaller than Su30MKI this little fighter jet is indeed the best 4th gen fighter jet in the world
Where did you get the 9 ton number?
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9 ton payload is absolutely gigantic for fighter sized planes and is utterly nonphysical given the claimed engine power of the Tejas.
 

HumanHDMI

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Didn't J-10 nearly get cancelled due to PLAAF's preference for Su-27 around 1999? Fortunately the project had support from the very top, from Jiang Zemin himself who directed more funding into the project and famously smashed a tea cup in front of PLAAF people who was recommending that J-10 be cancelled to free up funds for more flankers.

Ironically this situation might be a mirror of the case between LCA and Su-30MKI, just with the opposite resolution.
Curious to read more about this case if you have a source, can read Chinese
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Tejas vs Sukhoi:
Why India’s LCA Tejas Is ‘Definitely Better’ Than Russian Su-30 MKI Jets? Expert Analysis
The Indian aircraft has many advantages over its Russian counterpart, which includes its light-weight and the capacity to carry up to a 9-ton payload. Moreover, the aircraft can fly at a speed of 1.6 to 1.8 Mach at an altitude of 52,000 feet.

Also, the addition of new technologies used in the Tejas – Active Electronic Scanned Radar, BVR missiles, electronic warfare suits, and air-to-air refueling – enhance its capabilities during critical operations.

The Mk 1A can hit enemy aircraft from a much longer distance and has the ability to deceive the enemy radar. It can fly as many weapons and missiles as the Sukhoi aircraft with a heavier weight.
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Tejas can carry up to a 9 ton payload , Su30MKI can carry 8 ton not to mention Tejas is much much smaller than Su30MKI this little fighter jet is indeed the best 4th gen fighter jet in the world
Lmao... but anyways.

Let's take a look at this particular section from the EurAsian Times article that you quoted. That purple bracket is where you obtained (more like copy-then-paste) the proof for your claim of "Tejas has 9-ton payload", which is underlined in red inside the purple box:
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But did you even bother to read anywhere else in the article? Here, take a look at the paragraph just underneath the bolded title, bracketed in the green box in the very same page:
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Did you notice that red underline in the green box? There it says the Tejas has a payload of 3,500 kg, which is 3.5 tons.

3,500 kg (3.5 tons) is MASSIVELY DIFFERENT from 9 tons, you know.

Did the EurAsian Times author of this article not even bother with proof-reading his/her work before publishing this article? How can there be such a drastic clash in data for the exact same thing that he/she is reporting on?

On the other hand, you didn't even figure out (or choose to ignore) such discrepency before taking it as your justification to show that somehow Tejas can carry 9 tons of payload.

Furthermore, as an addendum to @FairAndUnbiased's reply:

Tejas Mk1 has an empty weight of 6500 kg (6.5 tons), and Tejas Mk1A has an empty weight of 5500 kg (5.5 tons), as per your previous post:
It's for MK1 block which weighs 6500 kg , MK1A weighs 5500 kg , weight is reduced by 1000kg in MK1A
I accept that I did a mistake but Wikipedia doesn't have the accurate data either As per HAL brochure in Aero India 2019, Tejas ferry range is quoted at 2000km+.

The maxium takeoff weight of Tejas Mk1 as per listed by HAL (
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) is 13.5 tons.

13.5 tons maximum takeoff weight - 6.5 tons of empty weight = 7 tons for everything else. So where in the world did you get that extra 2 tons of weight in order to become 9 tons of payload for Tejas Mk1? Disassemble the landing gears? Disassemble the vertical stabilizer? Or disassemble the cockpit and pilot canopy?

Besides, the empty weight of Tejas Mk 1 does not include the pilots and jet fuel. So how are you going to fly the Tejas into the air without pilot and without jet fuel? Magic?

Furthermore, even for Tejas Mk1A with a lighter maximum takeoff weight of 5500 kg (5.5 tons), publically available information indicates that the maximum takeoff weight of Tejas Mk1A is still around 13.5 tons. 13.5 tons maximum takeoff weight - 5.5 tons of empty weight = 8 tons for everything else. Once again, where did you get that extra 1 ton of weight? And where do the weights allocated to the pilots and jet fuel go?

Seriously, please, lol. And frankly speaking, I have not seen any publication elsewhere claiming that Tejas Mk1 and Mk1A have 9 tons of payload, so there's that.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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Tejas vs Sukhoi:
Why India’s LCA Tejas Is ‘Definitely Better’ Than Russian Su-30 MKI Jets? Expert Analysis
The Indian aircraft has many advantages over its Russian counterpart, which includes its light-weight and the capacity to carry up to a 9-ton payload. Moreover, the aircraft can fly at a speed of 1.6 to 1.8 Mach at an altitude of 52,000 feet.

Also, the addition of new technologies used in the Tejas – Active Electronic Scanned Radar, BVR missiles, electronic warfare suits, and air-to-air refueling – enhance its capabilities during critical operations.

The Mk 1A can hit enemy aircraft from a much longer distance and has the ability to deceive the enemy radar. It can fly as many weapons and missiles as the Sukhoi aircraft with a heavier weight.
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Tejas can carry up to a 9 ton payload , Su30MKI can carry 8 ton not to mention Tejas is much much smaller than Su30MKI this little fighter jet is indeed the best 4th gen fighter jet in the world
Hell, you also contradicted your very own words from a couple days ago without even realizing it:
@Atomicfrog
Su30MKI despite being a huge fighter jet has 12 hard points and can carry 8000 kg of weight
Tejas MK1A which is almost of the size of nose cone of Su30MKI has 9 hardpoints and can carry 5000 kg of weight
No fighter jet in the world packs this much of firepower in such a small size

WTH lol.
 
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