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HighGround

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As I told you before, Gripen and Tejas are in the same category even having the same engine. And if you don't think Gripen E is a lot better than Tejas Mk1A or Mk2 then you really should reevaluate the materials you have read about that little fighter. And don't bring up "India INDIGENOUS UTTAM RADAR" it does not matter one bit in terms of combat effectivity.
Pretty sure that radars matter a great deal when evaluating a fighter's combat effectiveness.

I'd be interested in seeing the specs.
 

Chandragupt

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I think it is quite clear that there is a management issue.
The first iteration of the LCA included all the subsystems as part of it's development targets.

When it was clear that neither the radar or the engine would be finished in the "near future" (the near future of then being more than 25 years ago), finally the Kaveri and Radar were extricated from the LCA as a whole. However, you had already put in 20 years at THAT time.

The inability for the Indian MIC to set modest goals for most of these programs means they either don't get finished, or are outdated by the time they are introduced. I can understand why @Lethe would say the fatalities experienced with the LCH program can be considered "acceptable losses" from that perspective.
The UTTAM MK2 AESA Radar is ready and installed on Tejas MK1A prototype
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The Kaveri Turbofan engine which was meant to power LCA Tejas has failed to produce required amount of wet thrust i.e., 91KN
but that doesn't make it useless it produces 73KN of stable wet thrust and 52KN of dry thrust and has to be used in Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle GHATAK
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A marine variant of Kaveri has to be used to power Warships of Indian Navy
 

Chandragupt

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Well, the cynic in me says they wouldn't. There's a lot of grift to be had. I think most people have a negative perception of India's defense sector, not even because it lacks the technical expertise in comparison to its peers, but because of the alleged corruption that causes delays and cancellations of major programs.

I'm happy to be shown wrong however, I never really followed India that closely.
India is actually making fighter jets since 1960 , India was the first country in the world to design , develop and fly a Supersonic Single engine Fighter Jet called HF-24 Marut but they were unable to find suitable engine for this aircraft at affordable price so they used two underpowered engines to power this aircraft and it failed to achieve supersonic speed , India produced 150 Units of these fighter jets and retired it in 1985
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Atomicfrog

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India is actually making fighter jets since 1960 , India was the first country in the world to design , develop and fly a Supersonic Single engine Fighter Jet called HF-24 Marut but they were unable to find suitable engine for this aircraft at affordable price so they used two underpowered engines to power this aircraft and it failed to achieve supersonic speed , India produced 150 Units of these fighter jets and retired it in 1985

The Marut got his first flight after the Phantom II and quite a number of mach 2 fighters.... it was quite late already.
 
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supersnoop

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The UTTAM MK2 AESA Radar is ready and installed on Tejas MK1A prototype
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The Kaveri Turbofan engine which was meant to power LCA Tejas has failed to produce required amount of wet thrust i.e., 91KN
but that doesn't make it useless it produces 73KN of stable wet thrust and 52KN of dry thrust and has to be used in Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle GHATAK
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A marine variant of Kaveri has to be used to power Warships of Indian Navy
Just to give more background, this is not an issue of the availability today, but 20 years ago.

I can’t speak to the radar as much as Kaveri, but back in the mid-90’s DRDO kept pushing Kaveri as “just around the corner” and not to go ahead with GE404 as the production engine. They said doing so would destroy the program. So basically 10 years was wasted (between first flight and official dropping of Kaveri) with not much to show for it.

It should’ve been clear as day that Kaveri would not make it a long time ago.

If the J-10 program waited like that, you would only see the plane now rather than 20 years ago. Since it was developed by CAC, then say goodbye to J-20 too. In essence, Kaveri cost India 20 years of lost time.
 

Lethe

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That could be the reason as well but India and USA aren't very friendly either USA threatened to nuke India in India Pakistan war of 1971 , they sent their 7th carrier battle group in Bay of Bengal two years later India under the leadership of Indira Gandhi detonated nuclear bomb and USA imposed sanctions on India which forced India to invest heavily in missile and space research program because USA denied cryogenic engine technology to India thinking that India would use cryogenic engine to power ballistic missiles
India finally developed a cryogenic engine of it's own and also solid fuel powered nuclear tipped ballistic missiles they carried out 2nd series of nuclear tests in 1998 only to prove that American sanctions had no impact on Indian nuclear and missile program they forced USA to sign civil nuclear deal
Now India is working on Hypersonic Nuclear missiles , India would partner with West in some areas and oppose in other and western world wouldn't sanction India like they did in 1960-70 simply because now India is immune to sanctions

The US (and the UK and Germany) also imposed sanctions on India following the Pokhran II nuclear tests in 1998 that affected the LCA program. There were people from ADA at Lockheed Martin at the time working on Fly-By-Wire software who were escorted out of the building and watched while they were in the bathroom to make sure they weren't able to take anything with them.

France did not join the western sanctions regime against India and has established itself as the most reliable of western arms suppliers, hence India's preference for Rafale despite the steep price tag.
 
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pevade

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Geometry of TEDBF is stealth look at these pictures
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Geometry of LCH Prachanda has also very less number of sharp corners look at these picture
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Please understand that the TEDBF is in no way "stealth". Compare the geometry of the TEDBF to something like the KF-21. Stealth geometry generally involves radar absorbing composites and coatings, sharp corners to deflect radar signals away from the emitter. (very broad generalizations of stealth)
1. The TEDBF's DSI intakes are rounded and not angled forwards or backwards, but rather it is angled straight which will reflect the radar straight back to the emitter.
2. The TEDBF's forward facing profile has multiple rounded angles which increase RCS
Question, is the TEDBF using the Uttam radar?
Is the TEDBF using a coated glass cockpit?

Look if you are so insistent on that the LCH is stealth. By the same metric the Z-10 would also be "stealth".

You also haven't even refuted to my previous statements.

The main rotor isn't even shrouded to reduce RCS, the main gun isn't shrouded, the fucking landing gears cannot be stored internally, the amount of vents and noise on the surface of the helicopter all degrade the "stealth" aspect of the helicopter significantly. The fact that you somehow believe that the LCH is somehow stealthy in any way shape or form is hilarious. Clearly stealth was not a consideration during the design phase. Does it even use radar absorbing coatings/composites? I think not.

Lets be reasonable and cease with the ridiculous statements that make you look like a peabrain, stealth was in no way shape or form even considered during the design process of the LCH.
 

zavve

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Pretty sure that radars matter a great deal when evaluating a fighter's combat effectiveness.

I'd be interested in seeing the specs.
I'm not saying that radars don't matter. I am saying whether the radar is indigenous or not does matter in terms of combat effectiveness. I should have been more clear in #8824.
 

Chandragupt

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I'm not saying that radars don't matter. I am saying whether the radar is indigenous or not does matter in terms of combat effectiveness. I should have been more clear in #8824.
It does matter whether the radar is Indian made or not because Indian made radar can integrate Russian , European , American , Israeli and Indian weapons so is not the case with Radars made by other countries
It's one of the advantages of Tejas that it can carry all kind of Missiles and bombs (except for the Chinese ones)
 

Chandragupt

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As I told you before, Gripen and Tejas are in the same category even having the same engine. And if you don't think Gripen E is a lot better than Tejas Mk1A or Mk2 then you really should reevaluate the materials you have read about that little fighter. And don't bring up "India INDIGENOUS UTTAM RADAR" it does not matter one bit in terms of combat effectivity.
Capabilities of gripen are no doubt among the best 4th generation fighter jets but as I have said it has critical systems and subsystems from all around the world making it a difficult to maintain aircraft that's why I called it a Zoo
A country operating gripen would need to maintain cordial relations with all the countries who supply systems and subsystems for gripen
Tejas on the other hand has only American engine as the critical component which is not Indian made rest all the other critical components are Indian made be it the radar the mission computer the airframe or the weapon package
 
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