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tphuang said:

I mean the Indians can say what they want, but they are really too militarily weak to counter China. People that write these kind of nonsense never seem to think about how many ships it would take to blockade there and how do they expect to differentiate ships heading to China vs Japan or Philippines.

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Exactly. Blockade the Malacca Straits, and it won't become just a blockade of China, but a blockade of everyone using that waterway.

tphuang said:

I sympathize in India's position. It feels that China is bullying them so they need to rely on other powers. But at this point, India's ability to threaten China is so minimal.

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I have no sympathy for India's position.

When India invaded China in 1962 (yes it was a textbook invasion according to the Henderson Brooks-Bhagat Report), India was roughly equal to China in economy, and slightly superior in military equipment. India had a limited ability to threaten China in 1962, and went ahead to provoke a border war. China defeated India comprehensively, and that kept the peace for decades.

In early 2020 during the Covid-19 crisis in Wuhan, India attempted to Salami-slice pieces of Aksai Chin away. Having not seen the PLA in action for decades, Indian soldiers were emboldened to bully, and then proceeded to murder Chinese soldiers. Thanks to the PLA's far superior competence, India's aggression stopped there.

It is my belief that if India senses China's vulnerability, then India would attempt military adventure on China. India has desires to be a hegemonic empire in its part of Asia. It doesn't hide its desire to eventually take Tibet from China. The Indian media and a significant part of the Indian populace desires India to be a leading power in Asia at the expense of China.

It is better for China to actually bully India right now. India can never, ever be trusted. It is just a plain historical fact. India is unable to comprehend the idea of mutual compromise, respect, and cooperation with its Asian neighbours. India only respects strength, not benevolence. It is better for China to keep India down, and deal with it from a position of strength. Otherwise, the alternative is an eventual Indian military adventure on China with more lives lost, or worse.

Sardaukar20 said:

Exactly. Blockade the Malacca Straits, and it won't become just a blockade of China, but a blockade of everyone using that waterway.


I have no sympathy for India's position.

When India invaded China in 1962 (yes it was a textbook invasion according to the Henderson Brooks-Bhagat Report), India was roughly equal to China in economy, and slightly superior in military equipment. India had a limited ability to threaten China in 1962, and went ahead to provoke a border war. China defeated India comprehensively, and that kept the peace for decades.

In early 2020 during the Covid-19 crisis in Wuhan, India attempted to Salami-slice pieces of Aksai Chin away. Having not seen the PLA in action for decades, Indian soldiers were emboldened to bully, and then proceeded to murder Chinese soldiers. Thanks to the PLA's far superior competence, India's aggression stopped there.

It is my belief that if India senses China's vulnerability, then India would attempt military adventure on China. India has desires to be a hegemonic empire in its part of Asia. It doesn't hide its desire to eventually take Tibet from China. The Indian media and a significant part of the Indian populace desires India to be a leading power in Asia at the expense of China.

It is better for China to actually bully India right now. India can never, ever be trusted. It is just a plain historical fact. India is unable to comprehend the idea of mutual compromise, respect, and cooperation with its Asian neighbours. India only respects strength, not benevolence. It is better for China to keep India down, and deal with it from a position of strength. Otherwise, the alternative is an eventual Indian military adventure on China with more lives lost, or worse.

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That's why india and USA defence ties are improving and you don't see any news about fixing bilateral relations between China and India. Seems like india is getting more inclined into USA camp.

Overlord said:

That's why india and USA defence ties are improving and you don't see any news about fixing bilateral relations between China and India. Seems like india is getting more inclined into USA camp.

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Its not a sin to dream, when shown the bills let's see IF they are willing to pursue those dream...lol They are good talkers BUT that is all they have, the US want total commitment will the Indians comply?

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The India & US convergence is a marriage of convenience.

The US wants to recruit India to become another chess piece to contain and eventually bleed China. The US has a wet dream of having the two most populous non-white countries in the world fighting and killing each other. But the US still doesn't trust India because of India's very close ties to Russia, as well as Indian refusal thus far to break that relationship.

India hopes that it could 'use' the US to contain China on India's behalf. India had hoped for Russia to do the same, but that is looking increasingly impossible as time goes by. Hence, India is now putting its hope on the US. There are voices in India to break ties with Russia, but they are still a minority. Nevertheless, the Indian media is starting to slowly loose faith in Russia as the Ukraine conflict drags on. So who knows. India views the US and Russia not really as its allies, but as great powers to associate themselves with, and hopefully manipulate to India's advantage.

So both the US and India hopes to use each other to confront China. This is not the characteristic of a strong alliance. They would declare that they want to confront China together. But they won't dare declare that they'll fight China together. They still don't trust each other at a level befitting a true military alliance.

ansy1968 said:

Its not a sin to dream, when shown the bill let's see IF they are willing to pursue those dream...lol They are good talkers BUT that is all they have, the US want total commitment will the Indians comply?

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Yes, if you are not Israel, or don't have a US base on your soil, then don't bother having access to the best US military technology, or any firm commitments by the US.

Of course India could one day have the US build a base on its soil, but that is also signing a deal with the devil. That would mean that India is becoming a subordinated vassal of the US. No more Superpower India project. Will the Indians wanna go down that path? Who knows.

Sardaukar20 said:

The Carl Gustaf M4 recoilless rifle is a popular and impressive shoulder-fired weapon. But it is not the most cutting-edge weapon of it's type. Many countries have already moved on to NLAWS, and MATADOR. China and Russia are already producing superior weapons of their own design.

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India have it's own ATGM design evolution with NAG, DRDO, MPATGM....so the weapon don't replace their own production. If they can have more country with dependency on their industry its just good for them.

Carl Gustaf M4 is still a nice weapon for a long war, guerilla warfare or untrain troops (beside some blowing up behing it...). It will not run out of battery, clearly a low tech design and it's not a single shot weapon. While still big, 6,6kg and 3,3 kg per ammo, you can have two shot on you for the same weight than a NLAW (12KG).

Garlands and breaking of coconuts. The production rate is such that every new unit produced is a miraculous occasion that calls for a ceremony.

Atomicfrog said:

India have it's own ATGM design evolution with NAG, DRDO, MPATGM....so the weapon don't replace their own production. If they can have more country with dependency on their industry its just good for them.

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Yet India had exported 0 indigenous ATGM as of today. Pakistan and China had already exported hundreds. A terrible record for a nation that claims to be a superpowar with arms export ambitions.

Atomicfrog said:

Carl Gustaf M4 is still a nice weapon for a long war, guerilla warfare or untrain troops (beside some blowing up behing it...). It will not run out of battery, clearly a low tech design and it's not a single shot weapon. While still big, 6,6kg and 3,3 kg per ammo, you can have two shot on you for the same weight than a NLAW (12KG).

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If you are talking about guerilla warfare, and long wars. The undisputed king of shoulder-fired weapons is the RPG-7. It too doesn't need batteries. Its even easier to operate. And it's also a reloadable weapon. The RPG-7 is less accurate, and has a shorter effective range than the Carl Gustav. But it has superior tandem-charge HEAT and thermobaric ammunition, giving it superior firepower. Best of all, it'll cost a fraction of the price of a Carl Gustav M4, even when made in India. On top of that, it is already widely available. So no need to wait for erratic Indian production of Carl Gustav's.

The NLAW is neither cheap nor light. But it sure is much more effective at tank-killing than the Carl Gustav. If an army can afford it, they will opt for the NLAW.

Sardaukar20 said:

Yet India had exported 0 indigenous ATGM as of today. Pakistan and China had already exported hundreds. A terrible record for a nation that claims to be a superpowar with arms export ambitions.


If you are talking about guerilla warfare, and long wars. The undisputed king of shoulder-fired weapons is the RPG-7. It too doesn't need batteries. Its even easier to operate. And it's also a reloadable weapon. The RPG-7 is less accurate, and has a shorter effective range than the Carl Gustav. But it has superior tandem-charge HEAT and thermobaric ammunition, giving it superior firepower. Best of all, it'll cost a fraction of the price of a Carl Gustav M4, even when made in India. On top of that, it is already widely available. So no need to wait for erratic Indian production of Carl Gustav's.

The NLAW is neither cheap nor light. But it sure is much more effective at tank-killing than the Carl Gustav. If an army can afford it, they will opt for the NLAW.

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The Carl Gustav have not been considered effective against the front armor of MBTs since probably the 1960s in Sweden. Most things on the battlefield are not tanks however and there is where it's use is.

by78 said:

Garlands and breaking of coconuts. The production rate is such that every new unit produced is a miraculous occasion that calls for a ceremony.

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That thing is new? It looks like they pulled it out of a dumpster. And look at the panel gaps, you couldn't pay me enough money to get inside that.

Abominable said:

That thing is new? It looks like they pulled it out of a dumpster. And look at the panel gaps, you couldn't pay me enough money to get inside that.

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That's a peculiar Indian phenomenon. Somehow, nothing they make ever looks new or can be described as gleaming. From just completed infrastructure to vehicles fresh off the assembly line, everything looks aged, grimy, and shabby, most especially their naval ships.

I have no explanation for this.