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ougoah

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Can anyone answer this question?
Which of the following is a surface to air ballistic sea-skimming missile?
a)Nag. b)Brahmos. c)Trishul. d)Dhanush.

It was asked in today's AFCAT paper.

Surface to Air, ballistic, sea-skimming missile doesn't even make sense. This explains why the Trishul was never really adopted (it didn't work) and why the Dhanush isn't even accurate enough to hit a stationary carrier with the CEP of the Prithvi. It has no chance at really engaging ship targets let alone moving ship targets. How will it receive guidance without an equivalent to China's WZ-8 or satellite guidance tech? It doesn't have enough range to really warrant a similar use of detachable communication probe like Chinese AShBM (real ones not those Indian me-toos that exist really on paper and during chest thumping) hence never been even tested against stationary ship despite the relatively short range for a ballistic missile. The Nag is an anti tank missile.

Surface to air means engaging flying target. That already means it's not ballistic. Ballistic is generally used in these contexts to describe a predictable "ballistic" trajectory with minimal if any intentional changes to course. Sea-skimmers are not ballistic either in that sense.

The Brahmos is capable of sea-skimming only at terminal phase but during flight, its path is high altitude and predictable trajectory.

These clowns can't even get these basics right. They probably mean surface to air interceptor for sea-skimming missiles. So yes Trishul but the Trishul is a failed abandoned project.
 

HaldilalSDF

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The Cochin Shipyard declared lowest bidder in the tender floated by the Indian Navy for construction of 6 missile vessels & the estimated total order value is around Rs 10,000 cr.
 

ougoah

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The Cochin Shipyard declared lowest bidder in the tender floated by the Indian Navy for construction of 6 missile vessels & the estimated total order value is around Rs 10,000 cr.

Estimated completion 2050 or 2080?

When will that veesuckbuttname class destroyer actually get into IN service?

It's been in design and building phase for longer than the Chinese navy tendered and put into service all the type 052Ds it currently has already lol.

That veesuck class is less capable than a 052C with inferior weapons (YJ-12 + YJ-18 + HHQ-9 >>> Brahmos + barak 8) and nothing close to type 346 radar. And the 052C has been replaced by 13 already in service 052D and several 055.

This naval capability difference is even greater than the difference between PLAN and USN. Possibly many times that difference lol.
 

HaldilalSDF

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Estimated completion 2050 or 2080?

When will that veesuckbuttname class destroyer actually get into IN service?

It's been in design and building phase for longer than the Chinese navy tendered and put into service all the type 052Ds it currently has already lol.

That veesuck class is less capable than a 052C with inferior weapons (YJ-12 + YJ-18 + HHQ-9 >>> Brahmos + barak 8) and nothing close to type 346 radar. And the 052C has been replaced by 13 already in service 052D and several 055.

This naval capability difference is even greater than the difference between PLAN and USN. Possibly many times that difference lol.
You have jumped before even knowing what class or type it's. :rolleyes:
 

ougoah

Brigadier
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You have jumped before even knowing what class or type it's. :rolleyes:

You haven't given the class and type. The class and type is also meaningless when it is an empty assignment. These are barely even brochure level stuff at the moment. Which is why I asked 2050 or 2080 before it is delivered to the Indian navy.

Am I wrong? The carrier and Veesuck class have been in development and building for over a decade has it not? Haven't delivered one or more than one vessel respectively. So how long to develop and build a "tender floated by the Indian Navy for construction of 6 missile vessels & the estimated total order value is around Rs 10,000 cr"?
 

silentlurker

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You haven't given the class and type. The class and type is also meaningless when it is an empty assignment. These are barely even brochure level stuff at the moment. Which is why I asked 2050 or 2080 before it is delivered to the Indian navy.

Am I wrong? The carrier and Veesuck class have been in development and building for over a decade has it not? Haven't delivered one or more than one vessel respectively. So how long to develop and build a "tender floated by the Indian Navy for construction of 6 missile vessels & the estimated total order value is around Rs 10,000 cr"?
You really should tone it down, every post reads like you're angry about a personal attack...
 

gelgoog

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Don't be so dismissive. A lot of military projects are protracted and a lot of them even fail.
India at least has carriers. The Vikrant is their own design and it's the first of its kind so of course it's problematic. The Indians never built a military ship of that size before. Russia has taken about the same time just to upgrade the Admiral Nakimov. So there's no shortage of problems like this.
 

Xizor

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Don't be so dismissive. A lot of military projects are protracted and a lot of them even fail.
India at least has carriers. The Vikrant is their own design and it's the first of its kind so of course it's problematic. The Indians never built a military ship of that size before. Russia has taken about the same time just to upgrade the Admiral Nakimov. So there's no shortage of problems like this.
No. Russia's issues aren't related to India's. To assume they are comparable is taking a view from afar.

Sometimes I wonder if India understands its own comprehensive development level, the targets it has set for itself (whether realistic), and the importance of program management (supplier accountability and deadlines).
 

HaldilalSDF

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The airborne MMR radar test bed , Virupaksha. For those wondering which ac it is, it's a Hawker 800. The Uttam has undergone more than 300 hours of airborne tests on this jet .

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