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HaldilalSDF

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An American Australian university associate professor and ‘China expert’, everyone I present to you one of the most self serving, one-sided, and biased analysis-opinion piece... and may I add a pretty funny one if you read between the lines

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When ever people talk about India not copying anything or respect intellectual property, I always find it interesting how no one ever mentions Indian pharmaceutical companies and their generic drugs industry...

I find this a rather amusing point... as unlike all other areas military technology is one of those you really don’t want to rely too much on others unless your country is ok being under the foot of others... the Chinese have been on their own and has achieved their own successes while suffering some failures but still on a whole successful in their endeavours and Pakistan used as a comparison is just wrong, since Pakistan relative to India is still a poor country and yet has been able to be on a relatively same footing as India when fighter jets are concerned, actually assembling and developing iterations when India’s own was basically in limbo, that’s just embarrassing for India

Well sure when you are the biggest buyer why not, hell if China has any chance to be a supplier they probably would also offer assistance too... assistances isn’t free they make money from these ‘assistance’ why would they not do it and because India ‘respect’ intellectual property, iterations would probably also involve some form of royalty or license fee... whereas the Chinese would take the project as base and develop their own iterations and be self-reliant in the long run...


So the Indians are doing exactly what China was doing... tech transfer... only difference is the Chinese learnt and made it their own... of course no one is keen to sell to China... the Chinese is reaching parity any more help would basically mean top of the line systems which would in turn give the Chinese the edge... and local production with India’s ‘respect for intellectual property’ just means they will be making money on systems that wouldn’t be top of the line, by the time the production line is up and running or to capacity, in the long run anyway so why not...

As if...

How about waiting for what comes out of the production lines before thinking exports... Russian fighters flies pretty well in Russia when produced and maintained by Russians but seems to have problems everywhere when India is producing and maintaining them... I am sure Lockheed or others don’t want their plane to be known to fall out of the sky... seems foreign companies pitching their wares to India is the important thing...

It’s all well and good until the US puts the ban hammer on exports thanks to their involvement or ‘assistance’ in your ‘indigenous’ fighter... further what good will the airframe do when the munitions are strictly controlled, expensive and will have to go through other hoops and red tape to get...

Funny... so the foreign companies want India to produce ‘high-end’ weapons cheaply that would most likely be competing with future indigenous Indian weapons that I am sure India themselves want to be able to sell... basically both hampering self reliance, in the long run, and potential future markets at the same time, since these foreign ‘high-end’ weapons licenses will still be owned by foreign companies and since they are being produced cheaply they will be competing with India’s own development on India’s own procurement orders, therefore potentially killing two birds with one stone... what a move that would be!
Good one self serving? Don't make me laugh.
LMAO laughable article, looks like more of a troll has written. to know this is the reaction to Tejas on racist & white-supremacist people's thought process.
Lol it had actual headline of "How country like India managed to build advanced Jet" West likes to get credit for services they offer to developing countries for which The psy but turn their heads away when talked about colonial reparations:pWith this Credit they want but credit they don't want to give.
 

KampfAlwin

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“Tejas is widely perceived to be a more reliable, higher-performance aircraft than anything offered by Beijing. Unlike Chinese jets, the Tejas can boast tried-and-tested components that meet international standards, many of them being of international origin. No one will worry about flying a jet with a General Electric engine that has powered U.S. and European aircraft for four decades. They might think twice about one with a discount Russian engine
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in China
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“This year, Aero India’s organizers were so proud of the Tejas that they painted it into the show’s very
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. India didn’t book any export orders at the show, but it is exploring such deals throughout the Indian Ocean region.”
So... author claims Tejas is better than anything made by China, yet it failed to get any export orders??? Author thinks Russian made weapons are crap despite them saturating in lots of militaries around the world.

I don’t know any country that will allow another country to produce their high end weapons, how the hell is that in any way a rational decision when it comes down to national defense? Give all your weapons manufacturing ability to another country?? That’s one way to handicap your defense industry lmao
 

Xizor

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When ever people talk about India not copying anything or respect intellectual property,

There was an Indian origin scientist /engineer locked up in US for stealing Intel Chips for the Tejas fighter jets.

Five years ago, I could search it up. Now not anymore. Lost to the depths of internet.
 

Mt1701d

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Good one self serving? Don't make me laugh.
LMAO laughable article, looks like more of a troll has written. to know this is the reaction to Tejas on racist & white-supremacist people's thought process.
Lol it had actual headline of "How country like India managed to build advanced Jet" West likes to get credit for services they offer to developing countries for which The psy but turn their heads away when talked about colonial reparations:pWith this Credit they want but credit they don't want to give.
Well yes it is self serving when you consider it from the American’s or foreign provider’s point of view... actually despite all the sh*t talk I throw at the Indians, I think that being able to start on the journey of self development - production of something like a jet fighter is an incredible feat, even if there is ‘assistance’ from other countries, nobody can start from zero nowadays... what I really don’t like about the Indian side tho is all the boasting and delusional pat on the back, the Tejas is by no means state of the art or top of the line... however as a starting point for modern fighters it is an incredible start especially when considering India’s current industrial capabilities... so yea this is a joke of an article.
So... author claims Tejas is better than anything made by China, yet it failed to get any export orders??? Author thinks Russian made weapons are crap despite them saturating in lots of militaries around the world.

I don’t know any country that will allow another country to produce their high end weapons, how the hell is that in any way a rational decision when it comes down to national defense? Give all your weapons manufacturing ability to another country?? That’s one way to handicap your defense industry lmao
Well if you read between the author’s definition of high-end is basically western weapon systems, it’s not about state of the art weapon systems... the weapon systems that are being pushed for Indian manufacturing are basically legacy systems, that are not that profitable to keep parts production for maintenance, or at least by the time production is up and running they would be legacy systems, further the most sensitive parts will not be manufactured in India anyway, so the foreign companies/governments have nothing to lose, since I suspect the tech transfer involved would only cover the parts to be manufactured in India, while at the same time the foreign government can just stock up on cheap parts for their legacy systems and work on their own state of the art iterations or replacements...
There was an Indian origin scientist /engineer locked up in US for stealing Intel Chips for the Tejas fighter jets.

Five years ago, I could search it up. Now not anymore. Lost to the depths of internet.
Exactly illustrate my point... probably a bunch of Indian trolls demanded the article/info be taken down or western side made it disappear for their narrative...
 

Gloire_bb

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what I really don’t like about the Indian side tho is all the boasting and delusional pat on the back, the Tejas is by no means state of the art or top of the line...
It's not so much out of line. In 1970s China there was a political slogan about incredible J-6. Yes, in the 1970s(!)
You may very well consider it...growth pains. If anything, if sh*t hits the fan, I'd be more suspicious of those who didn't have them.
 

Mt1701d

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It's not so much out of line. In 1970s China there was a political slogan about incredible J-6. Yes, in the 1970s(!)
You may very well consider it...growth pains. If anything, if sh*t hits the fan, I'd be more suspicious of those who didn't have them.
Sure I wouldn’t be surprised if China also had their moments in the past too and pretty sure every country will have their moment when they achieve something of note... perhaps I should have phrased it better or expanded on it...

I think boasting of achievement in general isn’t a bad thing per se and should be quite normal. I am sure back in the 1970s some Chinese people would be doing the whole ‘J-6, best in the world’ thing... but considering the times and how information propagation isn’t anywhere near as advanced or accessible as it is now, it would be understandable, however the Indians, in the current day and age, with current information propagation and accessibility, do take it to a whole new level, when you get un-ironic questions of whether Tejas is comparable with F22 and gets un-ironic answers from Indian ‘self proclaimed’ defence experts that answer yes on Internet forums or masses of YouTube videos and when people point out the flaws in the points made the author and other Indian users will jump-in and use ‘alternative facts’, thanks Trump, to basically imagine their way to greatness...

If you have the time, you can look up a funny internet spat as an illustration of my point, look up two YouTubers, Alpha Defense and Red Effect and their respective videos of their arguments on the Arjun tank...
 
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Gloire_bb

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I am sure back in the 1970s some Chinese people would be doing the whole ‘J-6, best in the world’ thing
Check it out, especially if you can read chinese.
This wasn't some people. This was a line of political in-fighting(between it and J-7), and people doing it knew very well about the actual state of things abroad. J-7 ultimately won....only through the backing of Deng Xiaoping himself.
Given a pretty grim relationship with the Soviet Union back then - it was ... a very bad play, to say the least.

do take it to a whole new level, when you get un-ironic questions of whether Tejas is comparable with F22 and gets un-ironic answers from Indian ‘self proclaimed’ defence experts
There are uninformed patriotic people everywhere. It's just that India is by orders of magnitude larger than most countries, +language barrier is comparatively weak.
Anyway, @HaldilalSDF, who's often getting trolled here, doesn't fit this description.
 

Mt1701d

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Check it out, especially if you can read chinese.
This wasn't some people. This was a line of political in-fighting(between it and J-7), and people doing it knew very well about the actual state of things abroad. J-7 ultimately won....only through the backing of Deng Xiaoping himself.
Given a pretty grim relationship with the Soviet Union back then - it was ... a very bad play, to say the least.
Lol that’s pretty funny... unfortunately I can’t really read Chinese very well, especially the simplified version, so I will take your word for it.
There are uninformed patriotic people everywhere. It's just that India is by orders of magnitude larger than most countries, +language barrier is comparatively weak.
Anyway, @HaldilalSDF, who's often getting trolled here, doesn't fit this description.
Fair enough and very true, there are still people in China who are like that after all...

And yes I agree @HaldilalSDF is sometimes unfairly treated, thanks to the enormity and vigour of the Indian troll army, which he doesn’t deserve in the slightest...
 
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