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ougoah

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Differences between India's "hypersonic" test and China's?

American reports in 2014 indicate several extended range hypersonic flight tests of HGV, setting off the hypersonic race era that we're now passed because it's literally done nearly a decade ago and been in testing and development even longer.

India getting quick desperate to join in on the fanfare between the US, China, and Russia, decides to publish a lot of noise in regards to this and include the word "hypersonic" while it begins hypersonic wind tunnel tests in Israel (seeing as India's own first hypersonic tunnel is still a work in progress while the other three have been using their own for decades).

India finally musters up a low hypersonic (scramjet powered) test vehicle that flew for well under half a minute, an extremely primitive level of development, just to report on it as if it is a finished task. Classic move.

Difference here is China doesn't talk about it and drag attention to it even though the finished weapon with useful range and payload has been in service for years and in development for decades and will show one in-service variant years later only when a statement needs to be made not dissimilar to AShBM demonstrations despite the weapon having been in service for quite a long time already. India talks like it has a finished weapon while it's only started the decade/s long development. Of course bhakts and Jai Hinds need to pretend it's all done and dusted. Meanwhile no single nation formally acknowledges India in possession of maneuverable hypersonic glide weapons (not ballistic missiles and other technically hypersonic weapons).

India's Brahmos II will be Russia's export version of Zircon. This demonstrator if it isn't just a rebranded Zircon, is indeed India's attempt at building a domestic version of the Zircon/ Brahmos II. The race for intercepting and countering HGVs is currently the struggle since India no doubt has or will soon have working HGV weapons which are going to be a lot more effective than Brahmos and the antique anti-ship and anti-surface weapons they currently use that's not Brahmos.
 

HaldilalSDF

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Scramjet (related to the HSTDV I presume)?
Differences between India's "hypersonic" test and China's?

American reports in 2014 indicate several extended range hypersonic flight tests of HGV, setting off the hypersonic race era that we're now passed because it's literally done nearly a decade ago and been in testing and development even longer.

India getting quick desperate to join in on the fanfare between the US, China, and Russia, decides to publish a lot of noise in regards to this and include the word "hypersonic" while it begins hypersonic wind tunnel tests in Israel (seeing as India's own first hypersonic tunnel is still a work in progress while the other three have been using their own for decades).

India finally musters up a low hypersonic (scramjet powered) test vehicle that flew for well under half a minute, an extremely primitive level of development, just to report on it as if it is a finished task. Classic move.

Difference here is China doesn't talk about it and drag attention to it even though the finished weapon with useful range and payload has been in service for years and in development for decades and will show one in-service variant years later only when a statement needs to be made not dissimilar to AShBM demonstrations despite the weapon having been in service for quite a long time already. India talks like it has a finished weapon while it's only started the decade/s long development. Of course bhakts and Jai Hinds need to pretend it's all done and dusted. Meanwhile no single nation formally acknowledges India in possession of maneuverable hypersonic glide weapons (not ballistic missiles and other technically hypersonic weapons).

India's Brahmos II will be Russia's export version of Zircon. This demonstrator if it isn't just a rebranded Zircon, is indeed India's attempt at building a domestic version of the Zircon/ Brahmos II. The race for intercepting and countering HGVs is currently the struggle since India no doubt has or will soon have working HGV weapons which are going to be a lot more effective than Brahmos and the antique anti-ship and anti-surface weapons they currently use that's not Brahmos.
This is a pic of the the cruise vehicle flight article or HSTDV undergoing all aspect RCS tests at Project Orange facility in Hyderabad. The actual HSTDV is being used here. Not a full scale model.
 

ougoah

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The test flight this year was boosted by a relatively small rocket with a very limited payload system. The hypersonic vehicle itself was testing the function of the scramjet which lasted for allegedly around 25 seconds. Due to the size likely being smaller than a Zircon it seems India wants to pursue its own hypersonic alternatives in case the Brahmos II program partnership with Russia doesn't work out due to the sensitivity of Zircon. But I'm assuming a Zircon missile would be similar in size to a DF-ZF like vehicle such as the one shown on the DF-17 booster.

The vehicle being quite limited in size makes me think it was probably done just to test a scramjet but the progress towards fielding a controllable hypersonic glide weapon is going to make it necessary for both Pakistan and China to ensure Pakistan is armed with equivalents. If their respective intelligence agencies determine how much of the Indian test is indicative of significant progress and achievements or how much of it is media hype with the actual capabilities being relatively mild.

If there is some rush in Pakistan to arm with HGVs and more capable anti-surface missiles with or without involvement of China, perhaps that would suggest the Indian progress is concerning. I feel Pakistan would be quite open about gaining any such capabilities as a deterrence. So far neither have even talked about exploring developing or selling HGVs.

With its own range of HGVs, China better start working on interception and counter equipment ASAP since India will be arming itself with these weapons.
 

gelgoog

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Russia comes up with the attack weapon (Zircon) and the defensive weapon (S-500).
I would suspect India, Vietnam, possibly Iran will get the Zircon.
I expect Russia to make a version of Bastion with the Zircon.
 

Dizasta1

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I seriously have doubts that Russia would sell Zircon to anyone. It is a primary offensive weapons system, designed to being adapted on various platforms in the Russian Federation's Military Services. There is perhaps a chance that they may sell an export variant, but it is highly unlikely that this would happen anytime soon. Priority is Russia to deploy these weapons on as many available offensive or multi-purpose platforms, as possible.
 

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