2700 GaN TRM but only 250km range? Shouldn't it be more than 600km?
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- Thread starter bd popeye
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For 0.1 meter square RCS
250km for 0.1 meter square RCS
Indians claimed since 10 years ago that Uttam would be their AESA and it will be GaN when it gets deployed.
Then they claimed Uttam is the best in the world.
Now they are saying all these other radars. India is not greatly capable in radars. Even its large ship and airborne phased arrays use European or Israeli radars. It's never fielded a domestic fighter AESA radar unit.
Yet it claims to have leapfrogged to GaN fighter AESA. While this is fine, they're boasting some remarkable specs. Again this is possible and fine. They just said this with Uttam so long ago as well and have been saying it to the day Uttam got "succeeded" without ever even reaching service.
Just let them play along with their fantasies. If they managed to fully pull off the Uttam and other fighter AESAs instead of boasting at 20% the way and then evaluating their performance, then they are welcome to. Indian AESA in IAF fighters could be a very good thing for Pakistan.
Then they claimed Uttam is the best in the world.
Now they are saying all these other radars. India is not greatly capable in radars. Even its large ship and airborne phased arrays use European or Israeli radars. It's never fielded a domestic fighter AESA radar unit.
Yet it claims to have leapfrogged to GaN fighter AESA. While this is fine, they're boasting some remarkable specs. Again this is possible and fine. They just said this with Uttam so long ago as well and have been saying it to the day Uttam got "succeeded" without ever even reaching service.
Just let them play along with their fantasies. If they managed to fully pull off the Uttam and other fighter AESAs instead of boasting at 20% the way and then evaluating their performance, then they are welcome to. Indian AESA in IAF fighters could be a very good thing for Pakistan.
250km is for 0.1 meter square RCS, Virupaksha also has a range of 250km for 0.1 meter square RCS target and 600km for 1 meter square RCS target
Just like Indian BrahMos was very good for Pakistan during Operation Sindoor.
Chinese air Defence system of Pakistan worked so well against Brahmos and other Missiles India Launched on Pakistani Airbases and command and control centres
Yeah, Chinese air defence systems shot down plenty of Brahmos. If we take your side's claims at face value then Pakistan's claims of having managed to intercept many of your missiles should also be unquestioned then. You guys just shot half your inventory and even then, barely managed to put a dent into Pakistan's armed forces. You think you destroyed every Pakistani airbase or something.
Your Jai Hind logic is thus. Because India managed to strike Pakistan using an assortment of cheap suicide drones and Brahmos missiles and overwhelm Pakistan's extremely limited AD stockpile, therefore Chinese AD does not work at all and Indian missiles are the strongest. Does this mean that Iranian missiles are stronger since they managed to land far more hits on Israel? And by extension, US and Israeli AD does not work at all?
I recall you guys attributing a video from Yemen to a strike on Pakistan.
How about Pakistani strikes on India? Where was all that vaunted Indian AD?
The real test would be India trying to strike China but lucky for you, that will never happen and you're spared the humiliation.
BTW I love how you tacitly admit that Indian radar developments are bullshit by avoiding the topic of conversation and the previous line of dialogue. What happened to Uttam, you guys bragged about Uttam for 10 years and you still fail to complete it and put it into service. Every Indian was shouting how Uttam is the best radar and better than anything China has. Well back then you were comparing it to 10 year old Chinese AESAs, which made it into service 10 years ago on J-10B, J-10C, J-16. Then second gen J-10C's, J-16's and J-20 AESAs came along likely with GaN. Now third gens are around and in service but Uttam is a no show. Still want to brag about Uttam replacement. You guys seriously have zero shame or ability for self reflection. Just constant Indian gov and media claim hyping and brags.
Last time I checked, Pakistan obliterated your junk and even Europe's best fighter under your control. Learn some humility and stfu sometimes.
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I hope for your sake that you're not equating that because some of your BrahMos hit runways and a quarter of a hangar that meant the HQ-9P completely failed, given the large barrage of BrahMos all it means is that Pakistan needs more HQ-9Ps, not that the HQ-9P didn't work. I'm even using Indian evidence here, all that is shown is that indeed some runways and a quarter of a hangar were struck and damaged, while you lost 7 jets. So if we use your logic, since the PL15 defeated SPECTRA, does this mean that SPECTRA is a completely dog worthless system because it got absolutely turbo fucked from 200km out?
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It is India echo chamber narratives they work each other up with and begin fantasy spinning. Every single time this happens with India.
They now convinced themselves they have the world's best strike ability, they convinced themselves Chinese AD doesn't work at all. Brahmos is the best and they've only lost a few fighters due to rules of engagement only. Totally not because of anything else. They also convinced themselves that they managed to shoot down at least 6 Pakistani fighters despite zero evidence.
Meanwhile Pakistan has presented plenty of visual evidence in videos and photos of IAF Mig-29, Su-30, Mirage 2000 and Rafales shot down with wrecks on Indian side. Pakistan also showed and admitted to being hit by Indian suicide drones and missiles. Pakistan itself also launched some limited ground strikes on India which also has footage. Largely ignored by Indians.
Now Indians, unhappy with the outcomes, begin spinning wild stories and perpetuating them online. Placating their feelings and hoping to convince the world they aren't incompetent. They tie their nation's prosperity to these "wars of perception" and so if you discuss this stuff with a Jai Hind, you'll never hear the end of it.
They will always argue back and try to get the last word in with their narrative. It's because most of them have nothing else or better to do. It's pointless anyway. Pakistan will slap India back and keep it under its foot. Their strategy is to create fantasies for the world to buy and try to work at it behind the scenes. The problem with the strategy is without a proper top down recognition of reality and weaknesses, there is not quite as much comprehensive nation wide motivation to do better. Too many buy into the fantasies and it creates an atmosphere of complacency because "it's good enough" and "we're strong enough". There's not enough shame, dissatisfaction and truth sharing culture there. The whole culture is about finessing one another.
Extended discussions with these types are completely pointless. Point out the main facts on the ground and move along. If they continue, can only play around with them. You're basically ending up arguing with someone who has the intelligence and maturity of a tantrum child - Some Indians literally claim they have a superior car industry compared to China. That they produce superior technology overall. It's basically the same as their old claim of the Tejas being superior to the J-20. You can't convince someone like that or have a genuine dialogue.