This rotating feature is also available in Captor E Radar of Eurofighter TyphoonTo be fair, it's up to debate how much it should.
J-16 is a rather independent thing, which in flanker terms is more of mix of UB（J-11B) and Su-30 (Su-30mkk) features.
Super-MKI...like, let's take Virupaksha for example; it has a very unusual, rare configuration:
it rotates, aka does horizontal scan mechanically. Only one other fighter radar does similar thing. It just happens to be Bars, and it was done because NIIP back then couldn't get electronic scan right, and had to compromise.
It's totally reasonable that IAF adore this extended scan capability (which with proper electronic scan can reach up to ~270 degrees); extended sector of modern Ru flankers is indeed a major advantage. But it's still exact same configuration, which will most probably introduce exact same reliability issues.
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Different mechanism(and, as such, rotation axis). Hinge v swashplate. "Door hinge" is only and uniquely bars.
Who decides whether an international media outlet is “respected” or not? You dismissed the WDMA ranking of the world’s strongest air forces simply because it placed the Indian Air Force above the Chinese Air Force.
We dismiss it because the justification given for the ranking is in complete contradiction to reality. Several people have already made point-by-point refutations in this thread. It doesn't take a genius to see that in terms of trainers, spare parts manufacture, munitions manufacture, peacetime airframe loss rates, average airframe age, average pilot flight hours, total inventory count, integration of weaponry, AWACS, and some other more "subjective" things like engine performance, radar performance, missile performance, avionics performance, EW performance, the IAF falls (very visibly) short of the PLAAF.
At the very least, the PLAAF doesn't need to go begging on hands and knees to various international companies for engines to fit onto a light fighter program that has been in the works for FORTY YEARS, AND STILL CANNOT HONESTLY BE SAID TO BE IN SERIAL PRODUCTION. This sort of delusion needs to become less commonplace, before IAF procurement will see any improvement. If everyone just strokes each other with these nonsense ratings, everybody thinks everything is fine and nothing will improve.
Why doesn't the AMCA come out faster if all the important subsystems (engine, radar, avionics) are either fully developed (or purchased from abroad) and being integrated into the Su-30MKI as we speak? Is there even a technological demonstrator for the AMCA? Is it possible that some of the important subsystems (engine, radar, avionics) are neither fully developed nor purchasable from abroad? How's the ToT with the French for their next-gen engine going? Any feedback on that?
How can you call WDMMA a respected media outlet when it unironically put the US Army on the list? A huge majority of US Army aircraft are helicopters. What sane person seriously thinks that helicopters will be able to face off against an actual air force? That alone should take any credibility away from this "respected" media outlet. Please use your brain.
But it's by itself a sufficient reason.
There are ways to place, i don't know, Russian navy or air force higher that where they are, due to their doomsday role.
Placing IAF over PLAAF is outright ridiculous, there is just no justification. Neither now, nor there is any visible path to look at IAF in a better light in +5 or +10 years from now.
It is crazy that after 30 years the level of domestication is only ~60% even by Indian sources.
I remember when the deal was signed, there was a lot of gloating by Indians and concerns by China watchers.
MKI was technically superior than MKK, the tech transfer was much greater (India would manufacture AL-31 locally, or at least parts of, China would not). In the end, the aviation industrial base was obviously really underestimated and so was the speed of improvement.
Nuff said. There's a reason why even Reddit which is China Bad says the site is a load of crap.
At this point we are just wasting time in this thread with no real developments. I'm surprised mods have let this slide so much.
WDMMA for whatever reason somehow puts a massive emphasis on future procurement, therefore the IAF making retarded claims about what it will buy and will get gets to have a high TruVal rating, this is in addition to the nonsense that somehow buying from more vendors is better.
Because the mathematical model rejects it. Try it for yourself (AI will help solve the equation; just plug in the numbers). Here's the eq'n for typical radar range, followed by range minus some losses (i.e. atmospheric absorption, earth's curvature, etc):
Hint: 5•sqm @ 0.1MW @ 40,000ft target altitude gives a theoretical range without loss at appr. 580km. And you are suggesting 600km for 1•sqm with losses included. lololol
Also, as I mentioned previously, dedicated AWACS aircraft with radar power draws of 1-2MW typically don't achieve more than 500km range. And you are talking here a 0.1MW power draw.
Above equation is basic and doesn't include addtional factors such as cooling, electronic interference, signal processing, etc which would obstruct your radar.
Lastly, as Deino pointed out, none of these indian systems, not even the Virupaksha's predecessor (Uttam), have been operationally fielded. What you have is a pipedream like many Indian projects which always land in the realm of "will be". Until you can field these systems, this discussion is as moot as those of LCA with Kaveri, 126 MMRCA, etc.