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Ajatshatru089

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Clango said:
Please enlighten me even if somehow they're allowed to sell a jet they're producing under license, why on Earth would Armenia buy it over the Su-30SM or SM2 which are improved versions of the MKI?
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ougoah said:
Yeah, Chinese air defence systems shot down plenty of Brahmos. If we take your side's claims at face value then Pakistan's claims of having managed to intercept many of your missiles should also be unquestioned then. You guys just shot half your inventory and even then, barely managed to put a dent into Pakistan's armed forces. You think you destroyed every Pakistani airbase or something.

Your Jai Hind logic is thus. Because India managed to strike Pakistan using an assortment of cheap suicide drones and Brahmos missiles and overwhelm Pakistan's extremely limited AD stockpile, therefore Chinese AD does not work at all and Indian missiles are the strongest. Does this mean that Iranian missiles are stronger since they managed to land far more hits on Israel? And by extension, US and Israeli AD does not work at all?

I recall you guys attributing a video from Yemen to a strike on Pakistan.

How about Pakistani strikes on India? Where was all that vaunted Indian AD?

The real test would be India trying to strike China but lucky for you, that will never happen and you're spared the humiliation.

BTW I love how you tacitly admit that Indian radar developments are bullshit by avoiding the topic of conversation and the previous line of dialogue. What happened to Uttam, you guys bragged about Uttam for 10 years and you still fail to complete it and put it into service. Every Indian was shouting how Uttam is the best radar and better than anything China has. Well back then you were comparing it to 10 year old Chinese AESAs, which made it into service 10 years ago on J-10B, J-10C, J-16. Then second gen J-10C's, J-16's and J-20 AESAs came along likely with GaN. Now third gens are around and in service but Uttam is a no show. Still want to brag about Uttam replacement. You guys seriously have zero shame or ability for self reflection. Just constant Indian gov and media claim hyping and brags.

Last time I checked, Pakistan obliterated your junk and even Europe's best fighter under your control. Learn some humility and stfu sometimes.
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Can you show me when and where Pakistan officially displayed the wreckage of the downed Indian fighter jets? There are numerous videos and photographs of aircraft wreckage circulating on social media, but most of them are either edited old footage or AI-generated images and videos. One particular video, filmed by an Indian soldier on the Indian side of the border, shows aircraft wreckage resembling that of a JF-17, though Pakistanis claim it is a MiG-29. Neither Pakistan nor India has made any official statement regarding this video. During the conflict, Indian media widely reported that a Pakistani jet had crashed on Indian territory and that the pilot had been rescued alive, yet no official confirmation or denial came from either government.

Indian Air Force (IAF) officially stated that only 15 BrahMos missiles were launched towards Pakistan using Su-30MKI aircraft. Out of the entire IAF fleet, only 40 Su-30MKIs are equipped to carry the BrahMos missile. 16th BrahMos was headed toward Kamra — the site of JF-17 assembly line — was self-destructed after Pakistani DGMO requested a ceasefire.
 
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Clango

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ougoah said:
It is India echo chamber narratives they work each other up with and begin fantasy spinning. Every single time this happens with India.

They now convinced themselves they have the world's best strike ability, they convinced themselves Chinese AD doesn't work at all. Brahmos is the best and they've only lost a few fighters due to rules of engagement only. Totally not because of anything else. They also convinced themselves that they managed to shoot down at least 6 Pakistani fighters despite zero evidence.

Meanwhile Pakistan has presented plenty of visual evidence in videos and photos of IAF Mig-29, Su-30, Mirage 2000 and Rafales shot down with wrecks on Indian side. Pakistan also showed and admitted to being hit by Indian suicide drones and missiles. Pakistan itself also launched some limited ground strikes on India which also has footage. Largely ignored by Indians.

Now Indians, unhappy with the outcomes, begin spinning wild stories and perpetuating them online. Placating their feelings and hoping to convince the world they aren't incompetent. They tie their nation's prosperity to these "wars of perception" and so if you discuss this stuff with a Jai Hind, you'll never hear the end of it.

They will always argue back and try to get the last word in with their narrative. It's because most of them have nothing else or better to do. It's pointless anyway. Pakistan will slap India back and keep it under its foot. Their strategy is to create fantasies for the world to buy and try to work at it behind the scenes. The problem with the strategy is without a proper top down recognition of reality and weaknesses, there is not quite as much comprehensive nation wide motivation to do better. Too many buy into the fantasies and it creates an atmosphere of complacency because "it's good enough" and "we're strong enough". There's not enough shame, dissatisfaction and truth sharing culture there. The whole culture is about finessing one another.

Extended discussions with these types are completely pointless. Point out the main facts on the ground and move along. If they continue, can only play around with them. You're basically ending up arguing with someone who has the intelligence and maturity of a tantrum child - Some Indians literally claim they have a superior car industry compared to China. That they produce superior technology overall. It's basically the same as their old claim of the Tejas being superior to the J-20. You can't convince someone like that or have a genuine dialogue.
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whatever it is their target that they claimed to have achieved, I certainly wouldn't think losing nearly a billion in jets is worthwhile.
 
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Clango

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Ajatshatru089 said:
Can you show me when and where Pakistan officially displayed the wreckage of the downed Indian fighter jets? There are numerous videos and photographs of aircraft wreckage circulating on social media, but most of them are either edited old footage or AI-generated images and videos. One particular video, filmed by an Indian soldier on the Indian side of the border, shows aircraft wreckage resembling that of a JF-17, though Pakistanis claim it is a MiG-29. Neither Pakistan nor India has made any official statement regarding this video. During the conflict, Indian media widely reported that a Pakistani jet had crashed on Indian territory and that the pilot had been rescued alive, yet no official confirmation or denial came from either government.

Indian Air Force (IAF) officially stated that only 15 BrahMos missiles were launched towards Pakistan using Su-30MKI aircraft. Out of the entire IAF fleet, only 40 Su-30MKIs are equipped to carry the BrahMos missile. 16th BrahMos was headed toward Kamra — the site of JF-17 assembly line — was self-destructed after Pakistani DGMO requested a ceasefire.
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They already gave the tail numbers of the rafales, they were shot down in Indian territory, how are they supposed to grab wreckages from inside India? Now when is the IAF going to present evidence for the 12 jets that they claimed to have shot down?
 
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Ajatshatru089 said:
Can you show me when and where Pakistan officially displayed the wreckage of the downed Indian fighter jets? There are numerous videos and photographs of aircraft wreckage circulating on social media, but most of them are either edited old footage or AI-generated images and videos. One particular video, filmed by an Indian soldier on the Indian side of the border, shows aircraft wreckage resembling that of a JF-17, though Pakistanis claim it is a MiG-29. Neither Pakistan nor India has made any official statement regarding this video. During the conflict, Indian media widely reported that a Pakistani jet had crashed on Indian territory and that the pilot had been rescued alive, yet no official confirmation or denial came from either government.

Indian Air Force (IAF) officially stated that only 15 BrahMos missiles were launched towards Pakistan using Su-30MKI aircraft. Out of the entire IAF fleet, only 40 Su-30MKIs are equipped to carry the BrahMos missile. 16th BrahMos was headed toward Kamra — the site of JF-17 assembly line — was self-destructed after Pakistani DGMO requested a ceasefire.
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Lol this is the guy who cited WDMMA as a credible source. No surprise he is now uncritically citing Indian media
 
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ougoah

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Clango said:
whatever it is their target that they claimed to have achieved, I certainly wouldn't think losing nearly a billion in jets is worthwhile.
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Yeah I suspect India went into operation Sindoor without expecting much Pakistani action and response since Sindoor's original scope was to hit some backwater targets close to the border. The Indians thought since we're performing what is the equivalent of a 1 out of 10 severity and damage strike on "terrorist camp sites" that are supposedly not Pakistani gov or military affiliated, Pakistan wouldn't do too much. Expected some show of force and light skirmishes so the Indians did back up their strike package with a lot of force to further discourage Pakistani action and response. Over 70 Indian fighters airborne.

Pakistan's response went out of proportion indeed. They decided to hit the Indian military pretty hard for just a few "terrorist camp sites" being hit. India was then forced to perform a show of force but decided they couldn't tango with the PAF so the Indians only launched suicide drones and Brahmos from well within the India side. Cutting down Pakistan's ability to respond in kind since Pakistan doesn't have those suicide drones or a large number of ballistic and cruise missiles they could afford to expend for what would still be a token gesture.

If there is the term "paper tiger" applied willy nilly to every military force from Australia to the US, India and Pakistan are both less than paper tigers. Neither have the industrial and military depth to fight any protracted war. Both stay in their lanes and do a few rock throwing fits and then talk up their population with stories of grandeur. Pakistan however, does at least come out of the fight with the upper hand. Their military force is even more geared towards these smaller and limited skirmishes whereas India's advantage over Pakistan lies in its superior ability to fight a protracted war. Despite this, India would last about a week if it fought China. It would run out of every piece of military equipment before the week's end and China would barely have scratched a fraction of the Western Theatre Command's stockpile.

Because India refuses to fight protracted war with Pakistan, it gets its ass handed to it with these smaller skirmishes since Pakistan is just that little bit more well equipped and better trained. Only a thorough push through to the end would India's advantages begin shining through. They stop just before Pakistan's arsenal begins running dry or stop well before that. Pakistan saves its ballistic and cruise missiles for serious protracted war and AD too but Pakistan barely has enough missiles and AD to match the WTC. India gets its ass handed to it by a nation 7 to 10 times smaller and then comes out shouting about how strong it is after a thorough ass whooping.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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Ajatshatru089 said:
Can you show me when and where Pakistan officially displayed the wreckage of the downed Indian fighter jets? There are numerous videos and photographs of aircraft wreckage circulating on social media, but most of them are either edited old footage or AI-generated images and videos. One particular video, filmed by an Indian soldier on the Indian side of the border, shows aircraft wreckage resembling that of a JF-17, though Pakistanis claim it is a MiG-29. Neither Pakistan nor India has made any official statement regarding this video. During the conflict, Indian media widely reported that a Pakistani jet had crashed on Indian territory and that the pilot had been rescued alive, yet no official confirmation or denial came from either government.

Indian Air Force (IAF) officially stated that only 15 BrahMos missiles were launched towards Pakistan using Su-30MKI aircraft. Out of the entire IAF fleet, only 40 Su-30MKIs are equipped to carry the BrahMos missile. 16th BrahMos was headed toward Kamra — the site of JF-17 assembly line — was self-destructed after Pakistani DGMO requested a ceasefire.
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How long are we going to allow an Indian propagandist to derail a thread? This whole Indian news thread has become nothing but back forth debate between this fake news peddler and the rest of the community.
 
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ougoah said:
Now they are saying all these other radars. India is not greatly capable in radars. Even its large ship and airborne phased arrays use European or Israeli radars. It's never fielded a domestic fighter AESA radar unit.
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Have they fielded any domestic fighter radar?
 
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