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Sardaukar20

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Channel on busting indian scammers in the west

Well when America gets closer to India. America is gonna be wide open for more Indians scammers like these. When the floodgates open, Americans are gonna miss the "not-so-bad old days" when Chinese people were more welcomed to America.

If you have a big problem with the Chinese buying things and working in your country. Wait till you have your life savings scammed by an Indian. At least you get cold hard cash from the Chinese. While the Indian scammer would laugh as you go to the grave a poor man.
 

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In the article, it is said that India's fiscal deficit is not in a good situation. Yet India needs to increase this fiscal deficit in order to drive its unorganized economy, which happens to be the backbone of its economy. In this kinda situation, FDI could provide some relieve. But guess what, India banned Chinese FDIs because China has a border with India. Practically all of India's startups have received massive FDI from China, so they say bye-bye to that FDI. So what next for India? Borrow more from the IMF? Just like all those countries now stuck in the middle income trap, crippled by the rules imposed by the IMF.
 

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In the article, it is said that India's fiscal deficit is not in a good situation. Yet India needs to increase this fiscal deficit in order to drive its unorganized economy, which happens to be the backbone of its economy. In this kinda situation, FDI could provide some relieve. But guess what, India banned Chinese FDIs because China has a border with India. Practically all of India's startups have received massive FDI from China, so they say bye-bye to that FDI. So what next for India? Borrow more from the IMF? Just like all those countries now stuck in the middle income trap, crippled by the rules imposed by the IMF.

2 points

1. RCEP reinforces Asian supply chains and FDI investment.
It was a mistake for India not to join, because India is still only a small-medium sized market, versus the absolutely huge one that is RCEP

2. I think the middle-income trap is more determined by domestic R&D, rather than what the IMF says.
And domestic R&D spending is under the control of local companies and the government
 

Sardaukar20

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2 points

1. RCEP reinforces Asian supply chains and FDI investment.
It was a mistake for India not to join, because India is still only a small-medium sized market, versus the absolutely huge one that is RCEP

2. I think the middle-income trap is more determined by domestic R&D, rather than what the IMF says.
And domestic R&D spending is under the control of local companies and the government
1) Exactly. India oversold the importance of its market. It thinks that just because it has a similar population size with China, its market must hold similar weight. Well it doesn't work like that in real life is it? It actually depends on good governance, not population size.
China have no problems joining into a multilateral institution where the US is supreme, like the WTO. The rest is history. But India just couldn't see past its ego. So there goes the opportunities.

2) Correct. With good governance, the IMF cannot cripple your economy and sovereignty. China had borrowed a lot from the IMF with no issues. But in countries with poor governance, typically 3rd world countries. That IMF debt becomes a burden. On the mild side, they might risk falling into the middle income trap. On the extreme end, they default on that debt, and the IMF comes in and impose their policies on their country.
Indeed R&D is controlled by the local government and companies. But with less money moving around, what R&D that needs funding is going to suffer. More ambitious R&D projects would have to be toned down.

Nevertheless before Modi, we actually see some real R&D in the STEM field. That yielded much of India's technology today. Arjun, Tejas, and the Indian Space Program were all developed during those times. But ever since Modi came into power. DRDO, who used to develop Balistic Missiles are developing a Bukhari kerosene heater. Then we see all these R&D into cow dung products. Encouraged because of Hindutva ideology. One have to wonder, where is India's R&D actually heading to?
 
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1) Exactly. India oversold the importance of its market. It thinks that just because it has a similar population size with China, its market must hold similar weight. Well it doesn't work like that in real life is it? It actually depends on good governance, not population size.
China have no problems joining into a multilateral institution where the US is supreme, like the WTO. The rest is history. But India just couldn't see past its ego. So there goes the opportunities.

2) Correct. With good governance, the IMF cannot cripple your economy and sovereignty. China had borrowed a lot from the IMF with no issues. But in countries with poor governance, typically 3rd world countries. That IMF debt becomes a burden. On the mild side, they might risk falling into the middle income trap. On the extreme end, they default on that debt, and the IMF comes in and impose their policies on their country.
Indeed R&D is controlled by the local government and companies. But with less money moving around, what R&D that needs funding is going to suffer. More ambitious R&D projects would have to be toned down.

Nevertheless before Modi, we actually see some real R&D in the STEM field. That yielded much of India's technology today. Arjun, Tejas, and the Indian Space Program were all developed during those times. But ever since Modi came into power. DRDO, who used to develop Balistic Missiles are developing a Bukhari kerosene heater. Then we see all these R&D into cow dung products. Encouraged because of Hindutva ideology. One have to wonder, where is India's R&D actually heading to?
@AndrewS @Sardaukar20

Don't forget their much acclaim DEMOGRAPHIC DIVIDEND and each year is getting bigger. They think this will sustain their economic development for years to come :cool: ...LOL.
 

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In the article, it is said that India's fiscal deficit is not in a good situation. Yet India needs to increase this fiscal deficit in order to drive its unorganized economy, which happens to be the backbone of its economy. In this kinda situation, FDI could provide some relieve. But guess what, India banned Chinese FDIs because China has a border with India. Practically all of India's startups have received massive FDI from China, so they say bye-bye to that FDI. So what next for India? Borrow more from the IMF? Just like all those countries now stuck in the middle income trap, crippled by the rules imposed by the IMF.
Lol they should ask for daddy uncle sam to come rescue them

They can sink together to the depths of debt
 

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@AndrewS @Sardaukar20

Don't forget their much acclaim DEMOGRAPHIC DIVIDEND and each year is getting bigger. They think this will sustain their economic development for years to come :cool: ...LOL.



Yes. We all can see where AI and robotics is going.

And the pace is accelerating because it is now an age of implementation, which requires large numbers of competent engineers and the datasets to match
The age of discovery (which requires a small number of breakthrough experts) is now past.

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And this is even before we account for India's population which doesn't receive enough education or nutrition.
35% of Indian children were malnourished in 2015, and the problem has somehow gotten worse since then.
These figures are all pre-pandemic.

One wonders what Modi has been doing with India's economic growth over the past 5 years.

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Lol they should ask for daddy uncle sam to come rescue them

They can sink together to the depths of debt

A couple of thoughts that come to mind.

I think Modi+India have a lot of parallels to Trump+USA.

We can see very partisan politics, and the respective bases are White Christian Conservatives + Brown Hindu Conservatives.
But these majorities are becoming a minority.

And both have a large underclasses of oppressed minorities (Blacks or Muslims) and hate liberals.

Plus their governing ideology accepts and condones inequality.

Eg. The Hindu idea that your destiny is based on your birth caste.
Or the US idea that poverty is the result of your own laziness and capability. But we all know that blacks and other minorities face institutionalised racism in trying to succeed.
 

Sardaukar20

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Lol they should ask for daddy uncle sam to come rescue them

They can sink together to the depths of debt
Hahaha. Dunno anything major that can India sell to Uncle Sam apart from curry. Maybe those brand new cow dung products?

But for any loans to save your economy. Uncle Sam won't loan directly to you. You gotta go through the IMF. The only loans that Uncle Sam would willingly give to you directly is financial assistance for defence. In other words, Uncle Sam can give you a credit card to go shopping for Raytheons, Lockheed Martins, General Dynamics, Boeings, etc. But to use that credit card to bail out Indian banks and companies? Oh no, no, no. For that, call the IMF.

So tough choice for India. If it wants to borrow that American money so badly. Either go through the tedious and bureaucratic IMF to get financial help. Or maybe just go get some more AH-64 Apaches, or more M777 howitzers. Maybe throw in some second hand Humvees and winter wear to sweeten the deal. It still counts as spending Uncle Sam's money (we talk about the IOU later). Guess which option the BJP idiots are gonna choose?

What about the debt? No worries, Uncle Sam controls the USD printing press. The USD's value is backed by something more valuable than any precious metal. The full might of the US military! But India better not forget that that is not its military. So India still has to pay up one day. LOL!
 
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