1st lesson in journalism, learn to read, or At least have some who can read. Instead of making assumptions. Lol
1st lesson in journalism, learn to read, or At least have some who can read. Instead of making assumptions. Lol
Lol, They are getting desperate. I hope they get to enjoy watching their democrazy get slowly be surely abandoned around the world because people are waking up to the fact that democracies based on western logic doesn’t work in the long run
The guy posted an update to say he was being sarcastic.Lol, They are getting desperate. I hope they get to enjoy watching their democrazy get slowly be surely abandoned around the world because people are waking up to the fact that democracies based on western logic doesn’t work in the long run
Well, Joey Siu IS as radical, even more so than Joshua Wong, who could already be considered a radical by calling for "self determination" back in 2014-2015. There is a even more radical dude you forgot to mention: Sixtus Baggio Leung (he reportedly stacked explosive before deciding to escape to the States). For U.S. politics, KKKotton is a classic Confederate white supremacists. His support for Hong Kong is instrumental at best in order to ensure that people like him (WASP pure blood) would remain on the very top of global racial food chain.The problem is there are no real "democrats".
First, you have to remember the basis of the "laam chau"/35-Plus plan. Both of these plans essentially call for direct confrontation with the central government in the hopes that they would be met with a violent response which would open the door for direct intervention by western forces ('peacekeeping' mission) or possibly indirect (arms supply).
Second, there was the famous interview by one of the student unions' president Joey Siu on DW where she proudly proclaimed that she was not a radical, but (self-described) moderates like herself will never "break ties or criticize" radicals. This was not an uncommon stance (at least on social media).
Finally, all the so-called "democratic" leadership, the joshua wongs, martin lees, etc. are all shaking hands and smiling with people like ted cruz, mike pigpeo, tom 'army ranger' KKKotton. They have all also received money from NED.
Even if we put aside the idea of American conspiracy. We can see how the whole ideas of "moderates" and "democracy" have been totally eroded into meaninglessness. If you are truly committed to being a moderate (and many of the self proclaimed democrats seem to conveniently neglect this point), then you have to condemn the violence. Very little of the violence was actually political in nature, most of it was juvenile attempts at score-settling/petty revenge against perceived grievances against mainlanders and HK supporters of PRC. I've repeatedly pointed out on this thread, there is nothing democratic about smashing up a Starbucks, Maxim's, or some other restaurants. If you are actually a moderate, you cannot pretend this is some sort of peaceful protest tactic.
Also, functional democracy requires compromise. The "pan-democrats" have repeatedly resisted any overtures from the central government as "not enough". One major proposed reform was universal election for Chief Executive, but the main compromise would be the candidates would need to go through a vetting process first. Obviously this is a way for the central government to stack the deck, but at the same time the other side should accept that the door was opened a crack. Imagine if Obama decided to kill ACA because it didn't go far enough, then what happens? You are just stuck with the same/worse system as before. This is what happens in HK.
So long-story short, I think the government made the simple conclusion that there are no moderates left to work with.
However, what I don't quite understand is the arrest of people like Claudia Mo, who is a legitimate lawmaker in Hong Kong. Martin Lee indeed has some connections in the West, but he never supported violence. Had Beijing been smart, CCP elites could have treated these moderate or classic HK liberals as a separate category from the radical youths mentioned above. This is because hard negotiations are possible with these classic moderate pan-democrats. When worst comes to shove, even if a classic pan-democrat were to be elected as the chief executive, there's only so much he or she can do to challenge Beijing. Ultimately, Hong Kong is already part of the PRC, so no matter how pan-democrat a chief executive were, there is a structural boundary preventing his or her overreach, especially with regards to PRC sovereignty. That is how you have autonomy for Hong Kong as guaranteed under the Basic Law, but Beijing remains the ultimate guardian of territorial sovereignty.
What is a moderate? A moderate is someone who would speak up if things got out of hand or become too extreme.Well, Joey Siu IS as radical, even more so than Joshua Wong, who could already be considered a radical by calling for "self determination" back in 2014-2015. There is a even more radical dude you forgot to mention: Sixtus Baggio Leung (he reportedly stacked explosive before deciding to escape to the States). For U.S. politics, KKKotton is a classic Confederate white supremacists. His support for Hong Kong is instrumental at best in order to ensure that people like him (WASP pure blood) would remain on the very top of global racial food chain.
However, what I don't quite understand is the arrest of people like Claudia Mo, who is a legitimate lawmaker in Hong Kong. Martin Lee indeed has some connections in the West, but he never supported violence. Had Beijing been smart, CCP elites could have treated these moderate or classic HK liberals as a separate category from the radical youths mentioned above. This is because hard negotiations are possible with these classic moderate pan-democrats. When worst comes to shove, even if a classic pan-democrat were to be elected as the chief executive, there's only so much he or she can do to challenge Beijing. Ultimately, Hong Kong is already part of the PRC, so no matter how pan-democrat a chief executive were, there is a structural boundary preventing his or her overreach, especially with regards to PRC sovereignty. That is how you have autonomy for Hong Kong as guaranteed under the Basic Law, but Beijing remains the ultimate guardian of territorial sovereignty.