Hong-Kong Protests

steel21

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I totally agree the HK police exercised restraint in minimizing the use of live munitions even as their own lives were threatened. Kudos to HKPF in this aspect. Compared to the Burmese police and military, the HKPF is much more professional in this aspect.

However, there were cases where arrested protesters were tortured (one of them was the famous video of two policemen engaging in sexual abuse of a protester in hospital). Some detainees were also sent to Shenzhen and were tortured by the Mainland security officials (think about the "spy"named Simon).

I am not saying police forces in the States and FBI are innocent (in fact, police in the U.S. are notorious for brutality and public executions of minorities), but there is a general norm today against excessive use of force by police with the exception of legitimate self-defense. Police are representatives of the states' monopoly of violence, so any forms of police brutality could be interpreted as domestic abuse of power against citizens. It is like a man without a gun fighting against a man with not just a gun, but authority given by those higher up to ensure order. It is never a fair fight to begin with. Under such existing imbalance of power, it is even more imperative to keep police authorities in check, be it in the States or China, so citizens would not be randomly subjected to abuse and mistreatment.
Evidence?
 

plawolf

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I'd say, "No!" They get four while China only gets one. Typical trying to save face when the West sees saving face as something foreign that they don't do.
It’s a trap. If China agrees to a ‘prisoner exchange’, then that is tacitly admitting that the HK arrests are pure politically motivated on par with the American trumped up charges against Meng and/or elevating the American charges to be legal and lawful. Either way it is creating a direct equivalence between Meng and these HK foreign-backed traitors, which is entirely unacceptable.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
It’s a trap. If China agrees to a ‘prisoner exchange’, then that is tacitly admitting that the HK arrests are pure politically motivated on par with the American trumped up charges against Meng and/or elevating the American charges to be legal and lawful. Either way it is creating a direct equivalence between Meng and these HK foreign-backed traitors, which is entirely unacceptable.
I don't think Meng will agree to the trade. I think that when offered a plea deal before, she said she will accept nothing other than total exoneration with apologies.
 

supersnoop

Major
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I totally agree the HK police exercised restraint in minimizing the use of live munitions even as their own lives were threatened. Kudos to HKPF in this aspect. Compared to the Burmese police and military, the HKPF is much more professional in this aspect.

However, there were cases where arrested protesters were tortured (one of them was the famous video of two policemen engaging in sexual abuse of a protester in hospital). Some detainees were also sent to Shenzhen and were tortured by the Mainland security officials (think about the "spy"named Simon).

I am not saying police forces in the States and FBI are innocent (in fact, police in the U.S. are notorious for brutality and public executions of minorities), but there is a general norm today against excessive use of force by police with the exception of legitimate self-defense. Police are representatives of the states' monopoly of violence, so any forms of police brutality could be interpreted as domestic abuse of power against citizens. It is like a man without a gun fighting against a man with not just a gun, but authority given by those higher up to ensure order. It is never a fair fight to begin with. Under such existing imbalance of power, it is even more imperative to keep police authorities in check, be it in the States or China, so citizens would not be randomly subjected to abuse and mistreatment.

I have not heard any proven cases or videos of the sexual abuse. The only thing were the rumours on LIHKG and Apple Daily, neither which are the least bit credible as sources. Might as well be "Auntie on the MTR".
I believe reading about a hearing in which a protester accused a policeman of grabbing her breasts and there was a video, but it only showed her being pushed in the midst of a scrum or something like that.

Simon Cheng (quoted in the above article btw), this guy is great. There is a reason why his case was not widely publicized any more. He initially claimed he was tortured (strapped to a tiger chair and also crucified). Then the SZ police released the tape of him going to the brothel, which pretty much made him a pariah. Although his confession could be questionable, certainly where he was caught was not. No one called him a "spy" certainly not the SZ authorities, and there was no proof of torture. Contrary to popular belief, you cannot be beaten without leaving bruises. I personally hypothesized that he might have been taking part in some subversive activities, which might explain why he was picked up.

You could make the argument that visiting prostitutes really isn't much of a crime, and I would agree, but in the end that's what he was caught for.
 

steel21

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I have not heard any proven cases or videos of the sexual abuse. The only thing were the rumours on LIHKG and Apple Daily, neither which are the least bit credible as sources. Might as well be "Auntie on the MTR".
I believe reading about a hearing in which a protester accused a policeman of grabbing her breasts and there was a video, but it only showed her being pushed in the midst of a scrum or something like that.

Simon Cheng (quoted in the above article btw), this guy is great. There is a reason why his case was not widely publicized any more. He initially claimed he was tortured (strapped to a tiger chair and also crucified). Then the SZ police released the tape of him going to the brothel, which pretty much made him a pariah. Although his confession could be questionable, certainly where he was caught was not. No one called him a "spy" certainly not the SZ authorities, and there was no proof of torture. Contrary to popular belief, you cannot be beaten without leaving bruises. I personally hypothesized that he might have been taking part in some subversive activities, which might explain why he was picked up.

You could make the argument that visiting prostitutes really isn't much of a crime, and I would agree, but in the end that's what he was caught for.
Dude lost it all for a quickie.

Job at the Embassy: Gone
Fiance: Likely gone
Chances of visiting brothels in China: Gone
Chances of catching STDs: Gone

I don't know what he is doin in UK these days, might be roughing it tending tables.
 

localizer

Colonel
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I guess that's what those morons and traitors were clamoring for is to have all the European and American Anglos to get all the jobs while us Chinese stay subservient to the commands and whims of our forever white masters. Unbelieva....ngbal.
That's why I think it's appropriate to completely subjugate these bottom types.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
If anyone saw the Meghan Markle/Prince Harry interview with Oprah Winfrey, the British elite use the same tactics to smear countries like China as they do with how the royal family treat those in their circle that they don't like. They take a situation where they're in the evil role and they spin it 180 degrees where they make the victim into the villain like their lie about the Opium Wars. One time there was a picture taken of Kate Middleton eating a breakfast of avocado and toast and of course you think nothing of it. Then there was a picture taken of Meghan Markle eating a breakfast of avocado and toast but she was vilified for supporting Mexican drug lords because the avocado industry in Mexico is supposedly supported by drug cartels.
 

localizer

Colonel
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If anyone saw the Meghan Markle/Prince Harry interview with Oprah Winfrey, the British elite use the same tactics to smear countries like China as they do with how the royal family treat those in their circle that they don't like. They take a situation where they're in the evil role and they spin it 180 degrees where they make the victim into the villain like their lie about the Opium Wars. One time there was a picture taken of Kate Middleton eating a breakfast of avocado and toast and of course you think nothing of it. Then there was a picture taken of Meghan Markle eating a breakfast of avocado and toast but she was vilified for supporting Mexican drug lords because the avocado industry in Mexico is supposedly supported by drug cartels.
Disgusting how the people still romanticize the Brit and Jap royal families

They literally caused suffering to billions in multiple generations.

Not to mention they were and likely still are Nazi sympathizers.
 
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