Hong-Kong Protests

solarz

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When they first protested peacefully, Beijing allowed HK to back down and withdraw the extradition bill.

While I agree with the rest of your post, just a word of correction here: Beijing did not ask for or initiate the extradition bill, and did not order Carrie Lam to withdraw it. Those were purely the actions of the duly elected HK government.
 
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LOL what a moron!
whom did you call "a moron"? or perhaps linked a wrong tweet? your post links
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China’s FM spokesperson on Wed confirmed the 15-day detention of a staff with the UK consulate in
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for violation of China’s Public Security Administration Punishment Law, and called on the UK to stop meddling with China's domestic affairs.
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interestingly,
China urges foreign media to ‘help right public opinion wrongs’ on Hong Kong protests
  • Foreign ministry’s information department sends letter and ‘evidence of overseas interference’ to dozens of overseas news outlets
  • Letter says foreign media have an important role to play in guiding ‘misled’ public opinion on the city
Updated: 4:58pm, 22 Aug, 2019
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Beijing has called on foreign media in China for “impartial” and “objective” reporting on the Hong Kong protests, sending letters to dozens of overseas news outlets in its latest effort to sway international opinion.

As Hong Kong enters a third month of unprecedented political and social unrest, Beijing declared that its “most pressing task” is to “end the chaos and violence and to restore order”.

To do that, it has ramped up rhetoric against protesters through state and social media.

While China has effective control over domestic sentiment, it has struggled to sway global opinion, which has been overwhelmingly sympathetic towards the demonstrators in Hong Kong.

Frustrated with what Beijing sees as biased reporting, the foreign ministry sent a letter on Tuesday to more than 30 overseas media outlets in Beijing, calling on them to take their “due social responsibility” to help “protesters ignorant of the truth to get back to the right path”.

Beijing has called on foreign media in China for “impartial” and “objective” reporting on the Hong Kong protests, sending letters to dozens of overseas news outlets in its latest effort to sway international opinion.

As Hong Kong enters a third month of unprecedented political and social unrest, Beijing declared that its “most pressing task” is to “end the chaos and violence and to restore order”.

To do that, it has ramped up rhetoric against protesters through state and social media.

While China has effective control over domestic sentiment, it has struggled to sway global opinion, which has been overwhelmingly sympathetic towards the demonstrators in Hong Kong.

Frustrated with what Beijing sees as biased reporting, the foreign ministry sent a letter on Tuesday to more than 30 overseas media outlets in Beijing, calling on them to take their “due social responsibility” to help “protesters ignorant of the truth to get back to the right path”.

The letter, signed by Hua Chunying, the newly promoted head of the foreign ministry’s information department, was accompanied by a 41-page dossier of news clippings to support the central government’s position on Hong Kong affairs, including what Beijing said was evidence of “foreign interference” in the situation.

“Regrettably, however, there is still some coverage based on selective facts or no facts at all,” a copy of Hua’s letter obtained by the South China Morning Post said.

British broadcaster the BBC, American outlets including NBC, Bloomberg and The Wall Street Journal, and Japan’s NHK national broadcaster and Asahi newspaper were among those to receive the letter.

The letter also said that foreign media had an important role to play in guiding “misled” public opinion in Hong Kong and restoring order in the city.

“Hong Kong is at critical moment,” the letter said. “The call for rule of law, order and tranquillity represents the mainstream public opinion in Hong Kong. The pressing task is to stop violence, end chaos and restore order, where I believe the media have an important role to play.

“I hope that you and the media agency you lead will take up your due social responsibility and make reports that are neutral, objective, impartial and comprehensive, so that your coverage may help those protesters ignorant of the truth to get back to the right path, and help those who have been seriously misled to come to a rational and fair judgment.”

The longest chapter in the dossier is devoted to what Beijing said was evidence of “foreign interference in Hong Kong affairs”, citing reports from mostly Chinese state media outlets including CGTN, China Daily and Global Times, which claimed that protesters were supported and funded by Western governments and organisations, such as the National Endowment for Democracy, a US non-profit organisation, which Chinese media reports alleged was backed by the CIA.

Yik Chan Chin, an assistant professor of media and communications at Xian Jiaotong-Liverpool University, said: “The Chinese government has established effective control over domestic media after the Hong Kong protests showed signs of violence and posed a challenge to the central government’s authority.”

The situation overseas was different, she said, with media there focused on the actions of Hong Kong police instead of the violence from protesters.

“China has felt that it is at such disadvantage,” Chin said. “It cannot control the overseas media, and its own media outlets are not trusted by the mainstream Western world.”

Since taking power in 2012, President Xi Jinping has urged state media to “tell the China story well” in the hope of boosting the country’s soft power and cultural influence.

But the protests in Hong Kong – along with China’s year-long trade war with the US – have put China’s ability to influence the way the international media tells the story to the test, despite its efforts to expand its propaganda campaign through social media platforms.

Beijing’s efforts to expand its campaign overseas backfired this week. On Monday, Facebook and Twitter announced action against coordinated efforts by the Chinese government and those associated with it to manipulate information about the protests in Hong Kong.
 

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Colonel
1989-Despite arms embargo, the Bush Sr. Administration blocked additional sanctions demanded by Congress.
1994-Despite pressure from human rights advocates, the Clinton Administration continued to give China Most Favored Nation status.
1999-U.S. Supported Chinese entry into WTO
2015-Britain led the stampeded of Western nations joining the AIIB, despite U.S. opposition
There's a lot more you can name.

You are equating the verbal criticism with actual actions. The two are very different things.

Are you implying that, because "the Bush Sr. Administration blocked additional sanctions demanded by Congress", the US was actually supporting and applauding what China did during the 1989 Tiananmen Square incident???

Also, are you implying that, because "Despite pressure from human rights advocates, the Clinton Administration continued to give China Most Favored Nation status", the Clinton administration actually supported China's stance on human rights???

To the best of my knowledge, any of this would be categorically against the official stance of the US.

Obviously, you initially wanted to emphasize that, in the matter of the current HK incident, China is alone and is being verbally criticized by all Western nations and US allies in Asia. My response was that the West has always verbally criticized China for anything that they have done. I then asked you to give me an example of any Western nation supporting China for anything they have done. I implied verbal support since the West and US allies in Asia are ONLY doing verbal criticism against China for the current HK incident. I don't think anyone has done any actual action (official things in the open, not under the table stuff) against China for how they are handling HK. A proper evidence for you to answer my question would be to show me an example of previous verbal support by Western nations and US allies in Asia, not what they have done under the table and behind the scenes.
 
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Guangdong Radio and Television journalist defends actions after refusing to show credentials at Hong Kong police press call

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This is typical of distorting to mis-lead. Having just read this piece, I thought I must have seen the wrong footage of the incident.

They try to word it as it was perfectly normal for one journalist to "request" credentials from another journalist! I don't remember when this has become ok for DEMANDING this sort of thing from your fellow journalist!

The fact the journalist was screaming like a demonic cat is not reported. And all the other journalist hounded a lone woman is not even mentioned. There are other discrepancy I wont even bother to write it here. I'll just upload a videovof the incident for your own judgement of the incident.

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Gatekeeper

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That is exactly the problem. These kids feel like they have leverages (which they kind of do because the West is on their side), idealistic, and not realizing what the consequences could be. The Western governments are galvanizing them toward a suicide mission, and these kids are proud of it.

Yes, the naivety of youth. The west is on their sude, because the west is using them for their own agenda!
 

taxiya

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My girlfriend says she wishes the PLA would come bring order as it's getting quite hellish in Hong Kong, rioters attacking anyone who they deem not the agree with them. She was trapped in a subway station for 3 hours the other day because rioters blocked the entrance and held the trains. But for some reason she has the idea the the CCP doesn't care about Hong Kong and would let them rot rather than use its military, which is reserved for Taiwan. I keep telling her that's a ludicrous feeling and Hong Kong is just as important, but she just answers, if they care, then why haven't they come yet?
Maybe your girlfriend is not aware that she is a minority among HongKongers? And it is only counter productive if Beijing rush in to save Hong Kong when majority in Hong Kong is still delusional (not wanting to be saved).
 

Gatekeeper

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Rich countries matter because they have consumers who could alleviate China's over-capacities and help with China's export. Poor countries ask for money, get into debt, and then refuse to pay back (by asking debt forgiveness). When China asks for its money to be payed back, these poor countries turn to rivals like Australia, the U.S., and Japan for help. In fact, this is the biggest risk associated with the BRI.
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Tonga Prime Minister asks China to write off Pacific islands’ debt
Akalisi Pohiva warns that his country is not the only one in the region struggling to repay loans from Beijing

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Published: 4:31pm, 15 Aug, 2018

“If we fail to pay, the Chinese may come and take our assets, which are our buildings,” Pohiva said.

“That is why the only option is to sign a submission asking the Chinese government to forgive our debts.”

I see, you're thinking of economics as opposed to Geopolitic!

But even in economic terms, you're so out of date. And have a zero-sum game mindset.

China no longer solely depends on export, it has a large middle class who can consum everything China produces. In fact, not only China not dependant on exports, the west is actually dependant on China's economy. For example. GM sells more cars in China than it does in the USA. Germany's VW, Audi, Merc all sell substantial number of cars in China.

The effect of this id China has far more clout than you give them credit for.

Take for instance, the airlines all had to comply with China's request to rename Taiwan as part of China, hotel chains did likewise. Fashion brands bosses apologies and change offending items. Need I go on?

And as for poor countries being burdens to China, you're not seeing things from a geopolitic perspective.

1st of all, the more friends you have the better. Each one of these poor country got a vote in the UN. Also, some are resource rich, some just plainly strategic in value.

Why do you think UK and the USA have a "oversea developments funds", otherwise known as aids? Do you think for one minute that they are doing it out of the goodnesd of their heart?
 
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