So, China needs "rich country" backing!??
So "poor country" don't count!! I begining to think you are smoking something quite strong!
Hong-Kong Protests
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So, China needs "rich country" backing!??
So "poor country" don't count!! I begining to think you are smoking something quite strong!
solarz
Brigadier
Sad to see this climate of fear, but it is no less than what I expected. When the police can't keep order, the lawbreakers rule.
As a HKer, what are your feelings on the possibility of martial law and PAP intervention?
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Oh good; they're finding those who fuel the fire and arresting them. With a decent amount of success, we won't have to resort to martial law to restore peace to the city! See? There's some good developments after all and good for you, buddy, for starting to post facts!
Ok, I was just about going to bed, but will answer this.
I and a number of Hong Kong chinese living in my hometown have a Chinese association that meets and runs a school every sunday.
We, of course, naturally discuss events in Hong Kong. And to a man., we are absolutely appaled at what's happening in Hong Kong. We are very concern for our family and friends still in Hong Kong.
We are also concern for the population and economic social welfare of Hong Kong at large.
After saying all that, we and I particularly, feels the lawlessness can not continue. And I, for one would like to see Riot Police from stationed accross the border come in and restore order. Because the Hong Kong police are knackered.
However, in the grander view, I believe that is playing right into their hands,.(rioters and those behind it. No need to mention who they are). It was their goal all along to get things changed to how they want, ans failing that, make China showed its hand, and get China drag through mud again!
All the time rioters and their co-sponsors have loss nothing!
So, i believe China should wait till when educational establishment re-open after summer break. As students (by far the majority of rioters) and lecturers would be returning to study, and have far more to loose.
At the moment, students have time on their hand, and no studies to worry about.
So if things don't die down then, thats the time to send in riot-police (notice I don't call it the PLA, as the western MSM like to harp on about!)
That's why the HK protesters are saying "if we burn, you burn with us." Meaning if Beijing takes military action, all Western countries would sanction that heck out of China and isolate China like Iran. God knows that the Trump Administration and Congress would do for Taiwan after a HK military crackdown. In other words, HKers were using threats of suicide bombing to force more concessions.
I can only hope you are right.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
What these rioters hope and what will happen are two different stories. After all, violent kids who cut class to throw bricks at cops and then run when a gun is pulled usually have a great understanding of global economics and politics, right? LOL
At this point, with their level of violence and disruption, it will be very easy for China to make a global case at the UN for why it implemented martial law and countries want to do business with China because their own economies depend on it. They will listen because it is good for them and their companies will lobby their governments to listen. The US will kick and scream and curse but that's just what it's become recently and hardly anybody takes that seriously anymore.
Do your research and look up the economic numbers. Don't look at angry conservative opinion pieces (or patriotic Chinese chest-thumping either); look at the numbers and judge for yourself. Look at how Europe is doing, how the US is doing, and how China is doing. China is the only one with robust growth and it is getting gradually more oriented to domestic consumption with production shifting to higher end goods. Ban trade with China and Chinese growth will slow but these counties will plunge into the recession that they are already teetering on. This isn't 1989 when the Chinese "economy" was an afterthought; this is 2019, when the world economy runs on the Chinese engine.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
My girlfriend says she wishes the PLA would come bring order as it's getting quite hellish in Hong Kong, rioters attacking anyone who they deem not the agree with them. She was trapped in a subway station for 3 hours the other day because rioters blocked the entrance and held the trains. But for some reason she has the idea the the CCP doesn't care about Hong Kong and would let them rot rather than use its military, which is reserved for Taiwan. I keep telling her that's a ludicrous feeling and Hong Kong is just as important, but she just answers, if they care, then why haven't they come yet?
solarz
Brigadier
Because Beijing respects 1c2s, and would only sending in the PAP (not the PLA!) at the request of the HK government.
That said, there are provisions in the Basic Law that would allow Beijing to send in troops without HK government request, but my understanding is that this would be an extreme measure.
A week ago, I also felt that Beijing should be declaring martial law regardless of diplomatic repercussions because Beijing's first duty is to the Chinese people, which HKers certainly are. However, since the violence has been scaled back for now, I think Beijing should continue to wait and see.
solarz
Brigadier
It occurs to me that the PLA soldiers at the HK garrison must be bored out of their minds by now. They certainly must be under strict orders not to leave the compound since the riots began two months ago.
Shortly after the rioters trashed Legco, there were talks among them of storming the PLA barracks. Too bad nothing came of it.
Shortly after the rioters trashed Legco, there were talks among them of storming the PLA barracks. Too bad nothing came of it.