That is exactly the problem. These kids feel like they have leverages (which they kind of do because the West is on their side), idealistic, and not realizing what the consequences could be. The Western governments are galvanizing them toward a suicide mission, and these kids are proud of it.
Hong-Kong Protests
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Rich countries matter because they have consumers who could alleviate China's over-capacities and help with China's export. Poor countries ask for money, get into debt, and then refuse to pay back (by asking debt forgiveness). When China asks for its money to be payed back, these poor countries turn to rivals like Australia, the U.S., and Japan for help. In fact, this is the biggest risk associated with the BRI.
Tonga Prime Minister asks China to write off Pacific islands’ debt
Akalisi Pohiva warns that his country is not the only one in the region struggling to repay loans from Beijing
Published: 4:31pm, 15 Aug, 2018
“If we fail to pay, the Chinese may come and take our assets, which are our buildings,” Pohiva said.
“That is why the only option is to sign a submission asking the Chinese government to forgive our debts.”
1989-Despite arms embargo, the Bush Sr. Administration blocked additional sanctions demanded by Congress.
1994-Despite pressure from human rights advocates, the Clinton Administration continued to give China Most Favored Nation status.
1999-U.S. Supported Chinese entry into WTO
2015-Britain led the stampeded of Western nations joining the AIIB, despite U.S. opposition
There's a lot more you can name.
AssassinsMace
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All cases where they were aiming to make money not support China.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Well, then this will just be a learning experience for them. They thought they could get their way like a kid throwing a tantrum, but when it becomes apparent that the parents will just leave him at the supermarket rather than buy him the 36 case of Snickers, he'll get tired of crying an learn to behave.
Stop posting things that have nothing to do with this. Rich countries, poor countries, every country does business with China. It has nothing to do with whether their governments support a beat-down in Hong Kong. And if they don't, they wreck their own economies while China continues to grow. This is going nowhere. First, you ask for rich countries support? I ask why rich and why does support matter when this is China's domestic issue to solve? So you talk about debt and business? That's completely unrelated... again! When you discuss something, keep your point in mind; don't just drift off to other unrelated things for the sake of posting a response.
Who told you those things count as support? Of all the things you wrote, half of them are classified as, "OK, I'll tone down the nastiness because we need to get things done" and the other half is, "OK, I'm on board so I can make money from it." For you to count that as support goes along the lines of, "I have a really nice neighbor! His wife called me a slant-eyed chink from across the lawn but he told her to 'hush because that's not how we talk outside!' He's so kind that when his car broke down, he allowed me to sell him the parts to fix it... for half market price! Another time, he was so nice, he invested in my start-up lemonade stand, which made him enough money from dividends to buy his new Ferrari in a month! I'm so lucky to have such a kind neighbor!" LOL
Vesicles was clearly asking about political support. During every political conflict in which China was involved, the West, or specifically the US, has always taken the other claimants' side. That is America's strategy to contain China, but China has always grown through all the pressure.
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solarz
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You are still under the impression that China is an export economy. That view is a couple of years out of date. China is now transitioning into a consumption economy, and it is looking for suppliers, not customers.
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
What the protesters are doing simply do not work towards any of those goals.
If anyone in HK thinks they can pressure Beijing into doing anything it does not want to do, they are delusional at best and have ulterior motives at worst.
Just look at Trump’s epic trade war folly.
If the President of the almighty USA cannot pressure China to back down on something as transactional as trade, just what kind of cool aid are these protestors drinking thinking they can get Beijing to budge on something far more permanent and impactful like sovereignty and political concessions?!
What these protestors claim they want - more freedoms and guarantees, are not in the gift of foreign countries to give.
That’s why it makes zero sense for them to target their message to foreigners, and doing things like defacing the Chinese government emblem while waving colonial and foreign flags seems deliberately calibrated to goad Beijing into a crackdown. As their ever expanding lists of demands and increasingly violent and disruptive antics.
That is why when I look at something, I don’t care what pretty words people say, I look at their actions.
When they first protested peacefully, Beijing allowed HK to back down and withdraw the extradition bill.
Far from celebrating their victory, the protest organisers made fresh demands and escalated the violence.
Why would Beijing give more ground when that is the response? By their own actions, the protestors have explicitly demonstrated that appeasement only elicited increasingly unreasonable demands and worse behaviour.
What the actions of the people organising the protests are tailor made to do is push Beijing’s buttons to maximise the chances of them sending in the troops.
Who does that benefit? Certainly not the vast majority of people protesting.
If the proverbial does hit the fan, the likes of Joshua Wong will be whisked away by American agents while the rest pay for their plans and actions.
What the idiots shouting loudest for ‘more rights’ are forgetting is that rights comes with responsibility.
HK has more rights and freedoms than the rest of China, if instead of gratitude a loyalty, that is repaid with chaos and treason, what government in their right mind would think, yes, more freedoms and rights will change this behaviour for the better?
All these protests are doing is demonstrating to Beijing that people in HK cannot be trusted with their extra rights and freedoms. That free access to the internet just allows western oriented fake news and state propaganda campaigns to poison the minds of the young; that religious freedom only allows fertile breeding ground for FLG etc.
If HKers like to keep their freedoms and rights, the best and only strategy is to prove to Beijing they can be trusted with them.
Yes, that's what my family been telling me. The rioters will attack anyone they THINK That are disagreeing with.
The sad thing is, they even attack their own if they just suspect anyone within their demonstration to be spies!
Talk about paranoia!