Hong-Kong Protests
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It does change something, maybe so important so to render BNO totally useless between UK and HK.
No, they can not use BNO to enter UK, but arrive HK with HK passport.
Let's play out the whole process, if the person enters UK with BNO, the person's HK passport would have no entrance stamp or visa to the UK. When this person returns HK from UK, he/she has to present his HK passport as BNO is not recognized as legal travel document. What does a HK passport without UK visa or entrance stamp mean to the HK immigration authority? Illegal immigration? What about the legal responsibility the airline? Airline is responsible for checking the travel document and entrance permit at departure. The person can not use BNO to board the flight back to HK because the airline knows that it is not valid for HK. This is not a problem if the person is on a one-way flight to UK. But if he/she is boarding the returning leg of a two way flight to HK, doesn't it make the airline in a legal trouble because the person has "illegally" left HK for UK in the first leg? So in reality, the person can NOT even use BNO to enter UK if he/she ever want to return to HK without legal troubles. This of course works for the few trouble makers, but won't work for the majority holders. So BNO is mostly dead.
This is the same as Chinese holding a foreign passport without renouncing their Chinese citizenship, they can never one passport for one direction and the other passport for the opposite direction without getting into legal troubles.
Just to put in my 2 cents
Let's not rewrite history here, those that left in 1997 were scared of CCP. That is a fact. We are talking about less than 10 years removed from Tiananmen Square.
I've posted this before, but I will reiterate again for relevance.
As the situation in HK calmed after handover, many of the people who immigrated to Canada as teenagers went back to HK due to cultural fit and much higher income opportunities. The number was so many that my Canadian university would hold special local HK graduation ceremonies. Statistically speaking, the number of HK immigrants leaving Canada have outnumbered those coming in for many years since 2000. Recently the trend has reversed again. Now that they have families they are seeking to go back to Canada once again.
With regards to this 300,000 BNO number thrown around, I think we have to be realistic.
1. Let's throw out this notion of Hanjian. Just because someone immigrates, they are not automatically Hanjian.
2. This is a theoretical number given out by the UK government. Where do they even come up with it? I think I read somewhere this number is over 10 years anyway, so really just overblown, probably not much over natural immigration numbers.
3. The best economic opportunities remain in China, people with a brain know this. How important is politics really to most people?
Going to the Canadian example cited above, really the main driver of returning to Canada is lifestyle (environment and access to education). Some will put politics ahead, but you can't stop them.
I don't think these gestures are anything to be concerned about. Over my lifetime, I have seen nothing but progress in China. Yes, we can argue night and day over this particular thing or that, but you can't argue that life is far better on average. If some people want to pretend in their head that things are worse, I agree that they should be pushed right out the door. However, I don't think it's even close to 100,000's. Brain drain implies having a brain, anyone can see a country that went from being choked with pollution to mandating electric vehicles is trying to move forward. A country that is trying to undo EU after so many years is literally going backwards.
Let's not rewrite history here, those that left in 1997 were scared of CCP. That is a fact. We are talking about less than 10 years removed from Tiananmen Square.
I've posted this before, but I will reiterate again for relevance.
As the situation in HK calmed after handover, many of the people who immigrated to Canada as teenagers went back to HK due to cultural fit and much higher income opportunities. The number was so many that my Canadian university would hold special local HK graduation ceremonies. Statistically speaking, the number of HK immigrants leaving Canada have outnumbered those coming in for many years since 2000. Recently the trend has reversed again. Now that they have families they are seeking to go back to Canada once again.
With regards to this 300,000 BNO number thrown around, I think we have to be realistic.
1. Let's throw out this notion of Hanjian. Just because someone immigrates, they are not automatically Hanjian.
2. This is a theoretical number given out by the UK government. Where do they even come up with it? I think I read somewhere this number is over 10 years anyway, so really just overblown, probably not much over natural immigration numbers.
3. The best economic opportunities remain in China, people with a brain know this. How important is politics really to most people?
Going to the Canadian example cited above, really the main driver of returning to Canada is lifestyle (environment and access to education). Some will put politics ahead, but you can't stop them.
I don't think these gestures are anything to be concerned about. Over my lifetime, I have seen nothing but progress in China. Yes, we can argue night and day over this particular thing or that, but you can't argue that life is far better on average. If some people want to pretend in their head that things are worse, I agree that they should be pushed right out the door. However, I don't think it's even close to 100,000's. Brain drain implies having a brain, anyone can see a country that went from being choked with pollution to mandating electric vehicles is trying to move forward. A country that is trying to undo EU after so many years is literally going backwards.
Guys. Please.
Those who 'left' have not left. The majority of those who have 'left' have come back. They only 'left' to secure a foreign passport. These are mainly medium to high earners. Even government bureaucrats.
They won't be able have the same earning capacity in Canada, OZ or the U.K.. the best they will be doing is washing up in a take out restaurant.
So they 'left' to obtain a foreign passport as an insurance against the future. These are your foreign judges, teachers, politicians and journalists.
They are still sticking it out in hong kong, because they are making too much easy money from the very people they despises. These people will leave at the first sign of trouble. But technically these people are foreign nationals. So good riddance, more jobs and housing for real locals.
Those who 'left' have not left. The majority of those who have 'left' have come back. They only 'left' to secure a foreign passport. These are mainly medium to high earners. Even government bureaucrats.
They won't be able have the same earning capacity in Canada, OZ or the U.K.. the best they will be doing is washing up in a take out restaurant.
So they 'left' to obtain a foreign passport as an insurance against the future. These are your foreign judges, teachers, politicians and journalists.
They are still sticking it out in hong kong, because they are making too much easy money from the very people they despises. These people will leave at the first sign of trouble. But technically these people are foreign nationals. So good riddance, more jobs and housing for real locals.
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That makes more sense. Securing a foreign passport as insurance Yea I’ll buy that.
Isn't this ban happened because the UK upgraded the status of the BNO in the first place by allowing them a 5 year visa and thus allows a path for citizenship, or am i wrong?
iirc the BNO grants you a 5 year UK work visa. So all you have to do is:
1. get a tourist visa (if you even need one with HK passport?) to the UK without using the BNO
2. apply for the 5 year visa there using the BNO, and get another document that is no different to other work visa/residence permit document
3. then if you want to travel to/from UK-HK, you just need these 2 documents HK passport and the 5 year visa, the BNO is forever hidden.
You don't see the problem here? This is why I think this is still not enough, and from what I see from their social media circles they certainly don't feel scared or troubled either unlike the mask ban or natsec law for example.
No guys.
First there's no such thing as a Hong Kong passport! There is however a CNO, a Chinese equivalent of a BNO. see mine
And people in Hong Kong can only apply for a CON or a BNO. for those born before 1997. After which only CNO is available. So those without proper FULL foreign passport can only get out of Hong Kong with either one of these two documents.
And if you applied for a BNO, you won't get a CNO. And visa versa. The records showed you have already got one travel document, and will not issue another one.
So all these BNO holders are stuck, and can't get out now as China don't recognise it at the point of exit.
For those outside, ie: students studying now, they can come back in with China's grace, and probably revoke BNO for a CNO immediate upon entry.
Anyone else. Mainly used condoms.
Tough luck.
Happy days!
First there's no such thing as a Hong Kong passport! There is however a CNO, a Chinese equivalent of a BNO. see mine
And people in Hong Kong can only apply for a CON or a BNO. for those born before 1997. After which only CNO is available. So those without proper FULL foreign passport can only get out of Hong Kong with either one of these two documents.
And if you applied for a BNO, you won't get a CNO. And visa versa. The records showed you have already got one travel document, and will not issue another one.
So all these BNO holders are stuck, and can't get out now as China don't recognise it at the point of exit.
For those outside, ie: students studying now, they can come back in with China's grace, and probably revoke BNO for a CNO immediate upon entry.
Anyone else. Mainly used condoms.
Tough luck.
Happy days!
You dont get a passport in one day!
A passport is only a travel document. Not a nationalship. Which is why BNO wasn't allowed to enter GREAT BRITAIN the first place. Because having that passport dosen't make you a British national!
Remember this?
Brain drain? No fear of that!
"Not what happened during 1997 though. The rich and educated took all their money and left for Canada. Many got their Canadian green cards though investment visas."
And they all come back! They just can't earn the money in Canada that they can earn in Hong Kong.