Hong-Kong Protests

localizer

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One thing people would often do is ship capital equipment to HK and bring over to the mainland to avoid tech export restrictions and high taxes.

Now people will have to do it through Taiwan.
 

weig2000

Captain
Nobody, the US won a few battles in HK but lost the war. China was forced to impose NSL that it would rather not enact. HK was in a mess and would never fully recover from the riots.

In the short to medium term, that is.

Who benefited from the riots in Hong-Kong ?

If we make the final tally today, who earn how much +/- from all of that mass protests and so on ?

Hong-Kong, China,USA ?

In the longer term, China wins, hands down.

When Hong Kong was returned to China in 1997, China was poor and weak. Hong Kong's GDP was about 18% of that of China and it was China's window to the world and the gateway to China for foreign investors. China could not afford to mess up Hong Kong. As a result, it made huge, unprecedented concessions in the form of "One Country, Two Systems." In reality, China recovered the sovereignty, but left Hong Kong alone for the most part.

It was a one-sided deal, really. Hong Kong people had essentially become a privileged class within China. The West, especially the Anglo-Saxon countries, have maintained large presence in Hong Kong; the US consulate alone has a staff close to 2,000 and many of them are not necessarily employed for consular business. Hong Kong doesn't have to pay any tax to central government and yet it has enjoyed all kinds of support from central government (Do you know why the Hong Kong-Macao-Zhuhai bridge does not connect to Shenzhen even though Shenzhen was so close to it and it would make so much sense to have a branch to Shenzhen?). You would think that majority of Hong Kong people would be satsified to enjoy and keep their special and privileged status. Hong Kong has never gone through the decolonization process, many of its elites and establishments are still steeped in colonial era mentality. Since the "Occupy Central" protest movement in 2014, and particularly last year's anti-extradition law riots, it has become abundantly clear that a significant portion of Hong Kong residents has become subversive and destabilizing forces to China, with their violence, racism and hatred towards mainlanders and the rest of the Hong Kong population that don't agree with them. Their collusion with and acting as agent of foreign governments and forces hostile to China just add to a long list of offenses that would be considered treason and subversion in a national security law by most countries. The Article 23 of Hong Kong Basic Law would have served the purpose. Alas, such an article could not be passed even 23 years after Hong Kong returned to China.

Meanwhile, China has moved forward by leaps and bounds while Hong Kong's GDP has become less than 3% of that of China.

It's time China assert its sovereignty power on Hong Kong, and shoulders the responsibility that it has had from the beginning. The riots and violence, the obstructions and destruction, and the foreign interventions have provided the perfect opportunity for China to do so. China has had big vision for Hong Kong to continue to thrive and be more integrated with the rest of the mainland China. It's called Greater Bay Region. Some of the major hurdles are cleared. The process can start now, even though it's going to take some time.
 

hullopilllw

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Yes, how unfair that the democratic parties are allowed to coordinate their candidates so they have a better chance of winning seats. It's only fair if they remain divided and compete against each other, so that parties like the DAB find it easier to win.

To coordinate in such a manner that undermined the mechanism of a free election?
He won't be destitute, there is a reason why he left for London, he was always paid by them.



Nelson Mandela spent almost 20 years in jail. William Kuok (brother of Malaysia's richest man) was killed by the British in the jungle. Yet this guy pretends to be some sort of freedom fighter. What a joke.

Can't respect these people. They are all fakes.

Too young too naive...

 

Mr T

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To coordinate in such a manner that undermined the mechanism of a free election?

Please explain how the democratic parties in HK coordinating candidates "undermines the mechanism of a free election". The primary was purely voluntary. Candidates did not have to participate, nor do they have to recognise the result - they can still stand in the election.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Candidates were threatened to participate. Anyone who didn't participate and refused to recognize the result would be ostracized and considered to be pro-Beijing camp which is automatically a death sentence for anyone in the opposition camp.

In addition, voters would be signed up to form voting block before the election. Each voting block would be told to vote for which candidate. That is pure election manipulation and violate the election laws.
 

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The primary, in which more than 610,000 Hongkongers voted to determine who should represent the opposition to run in the September
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, was held with the bloc’s “35-plus” campaign – alluding to the majority needed in the 70-seat legislature. The aim was for a “massive constitutional weapon” to veto the annual budget and disrupt the government.

A core member of the party said: “The results did not reflect voices of some voters who support a more peaceful way of resistance, as they did not cast their vote in the primary.

“We will not become more radicalised because of this blow.”

The current crop of "democrats" is only interested in interfering in government affairs. They filibuster Legco to prevent passage of any Covid relief plans. While the people of HK suffer, they are talking them to death.
 

Gatekeeper

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Please explain how the democratic parties in HK coordinating candidates "undermines the mechanism of a free election". The primary was purely voluntary. Candidates did not have to participate, nor do they have to recognise the result - they can still stand in the election.

You may want to educate yourself on the Hong Kong political affairs. Otherwise as always, you're shown to be ignorant of the facts.

You may ignore this inconvient truth. But frankly I couldn't care. I'm just showing this to the members here to call out your mental gymnasts to manipulate all things to anti-China

Here's an extract from the election laws of Hong Kong.

【選管會聲明】選管會指出,香港法例並冇初選機制,任何所謂初選並唔構成立法會選舉或者公共選舉程序嘅一部分。另外,借賄賂、武力、脅迫或欺騙手段誘使他人參選或者唔參選嘅行為,都屬於舞弊行為;公眾如果懷疑有人違反相關選舉法例,應該向廉署舉報。 新聞公報:
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#立法會選舉 #選舉法例 #舞弊及非法行為 #選舉開支 #中華人民共和國香港特別行政區維護國家安全法 #港區國安法 #選舉管理委員會 #廉政公署

EAC like to point out there are no primaries election mechanism in Hong Kong. And any so celled primaries do not form the legislative council or public electoral process.
In addition, the act of bribery, coercion force deception to induce others to run for election is fraud.
If the public suspect that someone has violated the relevant election laws, they should report to the ICAC.

Here's the link to the government site.

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Hadoren

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Trump signed financial sanctions related to China's National Security Law.
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I believe that the United States can do very strong damage to China's financial system. Unfortunately, China is extremely exposed to American financial sanctions.

The Law
The law basically tells the American president to sanction "any foreign financial institution that knowingly conducts a significant transaction with a foreign person" who enforces national security in Hong Kong.

Note that cutting off the bank from the SWIFT system is listed as an optional, not mandatory, sanction.

One Possible Response: Choose Hong Kong Banks With Limited Mainland Links
I believe the Chinese government should very publicly order national security people to use a list of Hong Kong banks with limited financial links to mainland China.

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At least some must have relatively small presences in mainland China.

Your Thoughts?
What are your thoughts, SDF? How should China respond to these upcoming sanctions?
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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Trump signed financial sanctions related to China's National Security Law.
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I believe that the United States can do very strong damage to China's financial system. Unfortunately, China is extremely exposed to American financial sanctions.

The Law
The law basically tells the American president to sanction "any foreign financial institution that knowingly conducts a significant transaction with a foreign person" who enforces national security in Hong Kong.

Note that cutting off the bank from the SWIFT system is listed as an optional, not mandatory, sanction.

One Possible Response: Choose Hong Kong Banks With Limited Mainland Links
I believe the Chinese government should very publicly order national security people to use a list of Hong Kong banks with limited financial links to mainland China.

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At least some must have relatively small presences in mainland China.

Your Thoughts?
What are your thoughts, SDF? How should China respond to these upcoming sanctions?

Well, the Yuan is strengthening again vs the dollar despite all this. Seems like the market is taking a vote in confidence in China.

Besides that, your measures are good. I would personally want to set up a special unit for circumventing ALL American sanctions. Can be used to conduct trade w/ Iran, Syria, etc.

China also started using its rare earth leverage today, sanctioning Lockheed Martin. Will take a while for Muricans to find another source.
 

Hadoren

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Well, the Yuan is strengthening again vs the dollar despite all this. Seems like the market is taking a vote in confidence in China.

Besides that, your measures are good. I would personally want to set up a special unit for circumventing ALL American sanctions. Can be used to conduct trade w/ Iran, Syria, etc.

China also started using its rare earth leverage today, sanctioning Lockheed Martin. Will take a while for Muricans to find another source.
Yes, what I fear most is America sanctioning a Chinese bank.

I've been researching Hong Kong banks. Sadly, most do have operations in the mainland. Banks such as HSBC, as much as I hate them, are apparently highly important to mainland banks.

Here might be some options:
  • Bank of East Asia
  • DBS Bank (Singapore)
  • Hang Seng Bank (HSBC)
  • OCBC Wing Hang Bank (Singapore)
  • Standard Chartered (UK)
These could be on the very public list of banks for NSL people. Note that I'm not a banking expert, so please correct me if damaging any of these would do strong damage to mainland China.

One problem is that the foreign headquarters could try to prohibit NSL people from banking with these institutions. At that point Hong Kong would have to split the Hong Kong institution from the foreign headquarter. Ideally it'd be better to have local Hong Kong owned banks.

With respect your "special unit for circumventing ALL American sanctions," China does have those banks: Banco Delta Asia, Bank of Dandong, and Bank of Kunlun. Unfortunately none operate in Hong Kong.
 
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