Hong-Kong Protests

hullopilllw said:

Fear of touching raw nerve seems to suggest that it is a right thing to do, but it is NOT. Having mutual respect with China means not intervening in her domestic issues. However for 5 eyes nations, having been used to the norm of lookong down on all others as a judgr, may feel it is normal and justified. Thankfully their might going forward is no longer sustainable.

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Absolutely, there's no doubt about it. If the 5 eyes don't have so much to loose, you bet your bottom dollar that it will go ahead and support you know who.

The fact is, the way the wind is blowing has changed. And these countries knows what's best for them, and adjust accordingly. And with each past moment, the more difficult it is for them to follow their old leader.

So now it's almost like every man for himself!

KYli said:

Hong Kong did away Chinese history in the 90s and early 00s. The replacement course is called liberal studies which basically is anti-CCP, anti-China, and anti-Chinese focus. The result is the new generation of Hong Kong youngsters hate China and Chinese for no good reason. They blame China for everything and worship the West.

I don't think you can reason with these youngsters anymore. Even the moderates have lost their way. At least two generations of young people have been brainwashed and hijacked. There is no more middle ground. Anyone who spoke out against violent, vandalism or intimidation would be ostracized by other youngsters.

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PikeCowboy said:

^those who grew up in Eastern Europe and then went through the fall of the Soviet Union are some of the most anti-communist people around

As long as you can succeed, people will change their minds about you. If it's a fact that HK education is lying about China, then when the truth comes out (and it has to be supported by China's own success) the sweeping sense of betrayal by their original upbringing will be stronger than any kind of brainwashing.

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I have long pondered what the strategy should be to clean up Hong Kong and make it the upstanding Chinese city it deserves to be and short of killing everyone too rotten to save, I am reminded of a strategy that my marine biology professor taught us in college (I took marine biology because I like seafood): "The solution to pollution is dilution." One of the main reasons that these youngsters are behaving in this way is pack mentality, that it's currently cool to behave this way in Hong Kong. If China can dilute them around more proper mainland Chinese kids, they'll follow a different pack mentality in order to be cool again. If every Hong Konger is around 5 or 10 mainland kids and hardly any other Hong Kongers, first of all, the violence will stop immediately because they only dared fight someone 10 on 1 when they are the 10, not the 1. Secondly, they will more and more melt into the mainland culture to fit in with the new surroundings, and sometimes, it's hard listening to a government that you were conditioned to hate just like sometimes kids don't listen to anything their parents tell them, but peers have much greater influence on the youth. When then new cool is to be the reformed/woke Hong Konger who embraces the motherland, the problem will basically be gone.

Unfortunately, Hong Kong is quite packed so it'd be difficult/impossible putting an extra 35-70 million people in there so if that can't be done, forceful relocation could be the only way. It sure beats waiting 2 generations!

hullopilllw said:

lol it means Britain already committed towards standing firm with US on geopolitical issues all the way into the future. They are also prepared to forgo any potential trade deal with China by directly undermining her sovereignty integrity.

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No it doesn't. Please re-read again. It is lots of bluster but no substance at all! They are prepared to extend visas stays, but that us nothing because it doesn't allow you to work. It is just an extended holiday!

It is full citizenship that is the price and that's what everyone is after. (And quite frankly I wish they would give it to them, so they can all leave Hong kong). And that's the bullet no British prime minister or any of her minister is willing to give. It will mean political suicide. And race riots on the streets.

I assume you guys are all younger than me, but I was old enough to experience what happened last time in the 1970s when Ide Amin kicked out all British passport holders leaving Great Britain scrambling. Senior politicians was objecting this large intake of foreign full British passport holders. In the end the British government took in this influx not because it is the right things to do, but because it is the honourable things to do, otherwise Britain's reputation will be in tatters.

So today's politicians in Britain are not going to make the same mistakes again by promising 300,000 Hong Kongers the right if abode!

Watching on CNN protests over George Floyd in Atlanta. Someone threw some sort of explosive firework in a building where police were holding the line. All it did was scare everyone. The scene you can tell was intense. Rioters were outside taunting the officers where you see a lot of laser sights pointed at protestors then the explosion. I think it was more bark than bite because when the smoke cleared no one seemed to be injured. There seems to be a point where someone is going to get shot. And still silence from Hong Kong protestors...

Wonder if this will impact corona opening-up...

AssassinsMace said:

Watching on CNN protests over George Floyd in Atlanta. Someone threw some sort of explosive firework in a building where police were holding the line. All it did was scare everyone. The scene you can tell was intense. Rioters were outside taunting the officers where you see a lot of laser sights pointed at protestors then the explosion. I think it was more bark than bite because when the smoke cleared no one seemed to be injured. There seems to be a point where someone is going to get shot. And still silence from Hong Kong protestors...

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They compartmentalize everything or just tune it out. Only they matter.

It's kinda like religion.


Punish China by taking out China's trash.


@Gatekeeper those under 23 allowed to go to UK under the new scheme?

Gatekeeper said:

Headlines from SCMP.

It now looks like the 5 eyes minus one is now down to, like the lost eye girl, (wonder what happened to her), down to ...... one eye!

Hong Kong national security law: US gets little backing with hard line on China, as other countries steer clear of threats

While US officials call on other nations to ‘stand up, be counted’ on China’s new national security law for Hong Kong, fear of ‘touching a raw nerve in Beijing’ tempers other diplomatic responses.

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That's what they said about 5G. "The US is alone, the UK is letting Huawei in." Now the UK is leading a consortium of nations including India for an alternative to 5G.
If this includes the EU, US and India it would be the world's biggest and more advanced market, shutting out China.
Congrats to CPC hardliners. You've really done a bang-up job on this one. China lost the opportunity of a generation to lead in technology here.

gadgetcool5 said:

That's what they said about 5G. "The US is alone, the UK is letting Huawei in." Now the UK is leading a consortium of nations including India for an alternative to 5G.

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If this includes the EU, US and India it would be the world's biggest and more advanced market, shutting out China.
Congrats to CPC hardliners. You've really done a bang-up job on this one. China lost the opportunity of a generation to lead in technology here.

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What are you talking about? Only thing China did wrong was being better And no, all those countries combined have less of market than China alone for 5G.

manqiangrexue said:

Unfortunately, Hong Kong is quite packed so it'd be difficult/impossible putting an extra 35-70 million people in there so if that can't be done, forceful relocation could be the only way. It sure beats waiting 2 generations!

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Most of the radicals were brainwashed and manipulated. Reading TG and LIHKG, you can detect that these youngsters are delusional. Like herd mentality and religion, they need to be reinforced constantly. Just locked the most radical ones away and cut off their resources. Making sure that they couldn't use girls, money, drugs, and fame to lure these kids to actively participate in riots, then things would died down soon. That is why national security law is so important. China is also sending top teachers in other provinces to reassess the HK curriculum to see what need to be done about HK education system. In addition, using the national security law to keep the media, judicial, and NGOs in check. After 2 generations and 1 millions more new mainland immigrants, things in HK should be under control.