Hong-Kong Protests

SinoSoldier said:

If being anti-establishment begets rot, then HK would've rotted from the inside out decades ago.
Nah, it's just reaffirmation that HK is steadfastly anti-Beijing, has been for some time, and will probably be so in the foreseeable future.

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Decades ago and today are way different times. Decades ago, China needed Hong Kong as a gateway to the world; today, Hong Kong needs China for it to be worth anything to the world. If China chokes Hong Kong, it rots. If China doesn't play along, Hong Kong is a gateway to nowhere.

china should had relaxed travel restriction between HK and mainland to dilute HK population and its democracy leaning attitude. Seems like CCP was more scared that democratic idea will be diffused in China than Nationalistic idea to bolster in HK. China deliberately isolated HK and at the end of the day, It had no say on future of HK than western Nations. Despite the fact that HK was part of China. Such an Irony.

manqiangrexue said:

Again, I'm writing substantial things, and you're answering with empty, "You're wrong; you don't know what you're talking about" echoes. If you don't think nationalism greatly affects your survivability in the CR, then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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There were people who got hanged from trees, little chambers of horrors where the “counter-revolutionaries” (all it takes is to have someone accuse you of being one) and rival factions being tortured to death. Kids and university students are out of school learning nothing and many join gangs (what the Red Guards truly were) and killed each other

manqiangrexue said:

An economy that's in the gutter with no water supply, and why would you want to stay?

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You are fighting an argument that I have not been making. I believe that your device is called "the strawman debating trick", and it is not considered quite honest. Shame on you.

I have not been saying that Hong Kong would have no water, only that the island would have enought to live on, but not to shower with.

So the choice facing a typical sensible Hong Konger would be: (1) Throw away his very expensive home to move somewhere else, absorbing an enormous loss. Or (2) stay in Hong Kong, swallow some pride, and ask for help from the mainland. In the second case, the Hong Konger gets to keep his home.

Which choice would the sensible majority make? I think (2) -- overwhelmingly.

As the rest of your argument depends on your strawman, I will ignore it.

recurrent here is blocking of the provision of water (which appears to be too much even for this thread), and the Cultural Revolution

vincent said:

Agsin, you have no freaking clue what is the Cultural Revolution. CR has NOTHING to to with loyalty to the country

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Sep 24, 2019

Jura said:

The Cultural Revolution? 'Maoism in action' was what I'd been taught in a Communistic high school thirty+ years ago, and didn't think about it since then

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so you may enlighten me

Now its time for china to take active foreign policy instead of winning about what other nations did to it and stop playing victim card. China tried to show how it is a peaceful rising economic power but whole world showed a FK sign to China right in its face. No nation in the world fear or respect china , Be its Philippines , Canada, Vietnam or Australia . Least China could do immediately is to put its forces in Syria and Bomb and destroy those ISIS rats or islamic terrorist, FSA, PKK to show the world that China is not a paper tiger. May be then next time someone try to interfere in China's affair , they would think twice.

manqiangrexue said:

Decades ago and today are way different times. Decades ago, China needed Hong Kong as a gateway to the world; today, Hong Kong needs China for it to be worth anything to the world. If China chokes Hong Kong, it rots. If China doesn't play along, Hong Kong is a gateway to nowhere.

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HK is still more or less a gateway to Chinese markets, albeit not as major as before, due to its special trading status. Much of FDI being poured into mainland China is through HK and much of Chinese companies' stocks are traded through the SEHK. It's no surprise that much of China's economic and tech hubs (Shenzhen, anyone?) are in close proximity to HK.

To bear a dismissive attitude towards HK politics, or fail to tread lightly in its politically-active youth, does directly threaten the economy of China. Ask yourself, if HK were as irrelevant as you make it out to be, why is Beijing so eager to let the protests end on a good note?

MrCrazyBoyRavi said:

china should had relaxed travel restriction between HK and mainland to dilute HK population and its democracy leaning attitude. Seems like CCP was more scared that democratic idea will be diffused in China than Nationalistic idea to bolster in HK. China deliberately isolated HK and at the end of the day, It had no say on future of HK than western Nations. Despite the fact that HK was part of China. Such an Irony.

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Most mainlanders who travel to HK are there to purchase commodity goods to bring back across the border, not to move there. Besides stirring up more anti-mainlander sentiment, forcibly moving a large population to HK is a physical impossibility due to property prices and housing space.

SinoSoldier said:

HK is still more or less a gateway to Chinese markets, albeit not as major as before, due to its special trading status. Much of FDI being poured into mainland China is through HK and much of Chinese companies' stocks are traded through the SEHK. It's no surprise that much of China's economic and tech hubs (Shenzhen, anyone?) are in close proximity to HK.

To bear a dismissive attitude towards HK politics, or fail to tread lightly in its politically-active youth, does directly threaten the economy of China. Ask yourself, if HK were as irrelevant as you make it out to be, why is Beijing so eager to let the protests end on a good note?

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Yup . Recent IPO of Alibaba is the proof of this face. They tried to do it in NY but were blocked . They could have done it in shanghai but they choose HK despite the political turmoil of HK. It proves how vital HK is for Chinese economy.

Yesterday at 7:46 PM

Jura said:

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me wondering if Glob. Times will say it's probably rigged

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not at all, even declared "pro-democrats have scored a landslide victory"
(with a caveat of "though the difference in actual votes received by the two camps was much smaller")
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HK district council elections result needs rational analysis

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