Hong-Kong Protests

[tidalwave]

If the political climate in HK is more tilted towards China, it would have been burden for China. Now that the political climate is anti-China, everything is in perfect place for China's interest. This is because HK's economic potential has already hit a ceiling. Especially in this decade, in which the economic crisis has shown that advance economies that has divorced from manufacturing sectors are less capable of withstanding and recovering from a economic crisis. HK is so deeply and completely reliant upon the services sector (especial financial services), its vulnerability is apparent. Now, if HK's political climate is tilting toward pro-China, it would have put the burden of recovering and growing HK's economy on China. This is difficult for China, because China does not want to break the 1C2S and actually involve itself in running HK's economy. Thus, every economic problems of HK will be blamed on China.

Now that the election has shown the HK people that they are choosing the anti-China path, they will have to make HK's economy boom on their own in order to obtain any meaningful victory for their political position. This is win-win for China. Because HK will either have booming economy, which benefits China as a whole; or it will suffer down turn, which will slowly destroy the legitimacy of the anti-China crowd's political position.

In comparison, what's really bad would be that HK is inevitably on the path of economic downturn while the political climate is mostly pro-China. This is the situation which means that China will have to waste a lot of resources to bail HK out (and fail), while the people are slowing losing confidence in China.

Notice the violence dramatically dropped during recent election days.

Now Pro-Democracy folks are running the show, I have a feeling that they will run the middle way with Beijing hoping it still can get economic support.,

Meanwhile, they will crack down on the police, and spare those rioters, amnesty.

In other another words, they hope let those criminal youngsters to have free pass and let everything cool down. Next times, they will reuse those criminal youngsters again as terrorists if they feel the need.

this type of free pass for those criminal youngsters is Not right at all.

If Beijing is muted on this and then let everything cool down again and pro-beijing lawyers got weeped out then its mission accomplished for the pro-democracy folks.

Beijing may have to treat HongKong as a cancer and starting to quarantine it \.

Barring Hongkong economically from mainland as payback for this movement. cut back water and food supply.
Let it die economically. Treat it as cancer cell.

 

[localizer]

The new set of 5 demands: repair the roads, repair traffic lights, repair the fences, remove the Lennon walls and repaint the walls

ya cant make this up

 

[KYli]

I want to point out that the pro-establishment got 40.17% of the votes in 2016 Hong Kong legislative election and the anti-establishment got 55.02% of the votes. This 2019 local election just reaffirmed the fact 60% of the Hong Kong people support the anti-establishment and there is no silent majority.

The pro-establishment parties and the HK government want to capitulate but the central government needs to ask themselves is appeasement worth it. Granting amnesty and throwing the HK police under the bus would be disaster.

 

[tidalwave]

I want to see Hongkong people rich or poor standing in line waiting for water rationing like back in the 60s.

Let all hongkongers know who's the boss.

Let Western media criticize all it wants.
HongKongers have to choose, water or democracy

Can't let this thing die down. Can't let destruction done and everything become cool down without repercussions

 

[Xizor]

" The losses sustained by the DAB were reminiscent of those it faced in 2003. Back then, only 62 out of 206 candidates won from the staunchly pro-Beijing party. That came after half a million people took to the streets to oppose the proposal to enact national security laws under
Article 23 of the Basic Law. "

Just picking up something from SCMP. This has happened in the past. To those who think HK has suddenly turned "Anti-China".

HK has always harbored anti-PRC sentiments. When they are left to themselves, they turn pro-establishmnt slowly. When they are pushed a bit, like to enact National Security laws, they become "anti-Beijing".
I don't like people who burn the flag of established and recognized countries. Whether they be the mullahs of Iran burning US flags or whether they are HK people burning flags of PRC. Shows very poor standards. And burning the flags of your own country ! While proudly waving the flag of foreign adversarial ones! I despise and detest.
It is certainly not a good turn of events for PRC. But...hey, PRC has seen worse. Must hang in there.

 

[SinoSoldier]

HK has spoken, and seeing that the greatest voter turnout in its history voted overwhelmingly pro-democrat, this really does put Beijing's claims into question. While this election does not bear much significance in HK's politics or that of Beijing, it does beg the question of whether Beijing's claim that most HK-ers are anti-rioter is true or not.

 

[vincent]

I didn't call it a necessary evil; I said it's more good than evil and I'll say it again. Anything that crushes disloyalty and creates a culture of nationalism is needed at some point, no matter the cost. "I don't remember but my parents told me" isn't all that convincing for how much of a personal hell you went through and quite frankly sounds like you have about as much an idea of it as I do because I also heard plenty of stories from my parents and grandparents. My mother's side of the family complained just like your parents, but they weren't very patriotic; they mostly wanted self-benefit so they got pushed around quite a lot. My father's side were shining patriots and everyone just had a wonderful day everyday (other than being poor of course). So, in short, as it should be, be patriotic, be willing to sacrifice for your country, and your attitude will be rewarded. That's what the CR is about and that's what HK needs desperately.

Agsin, you have no freaking clue what is the Cultural Revolution. CR has NOTHING to to with loyalty to the country

 

[vincent]

HK has spoken, and seeing that the greatest voter turnout in its history voted overwhelmingly pro-democrat, this really does put Beijing's claims into question. While this election does not bear much significance in HK's politics or that of Beijing, it does beg the question of whether Beijing's claim that most HK-ers are anti-rioter is true or not.

Yup, HK is welcome to rot.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Agsin, you have no freaking clue what is the Cultural Revolution. CR has NOTHING to to with loyalty to the country

Again, I'm writing substantial things, and you're answering with empty, "You're wrong; you don't know what you're talking about" echoes. If you don't think nationalism greatly affects your survivability in the CR, then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Yup, HK is welcome to rot.

If being anti-establishment begets rot, then HK would've rotted from the inside out decades ago.
Nah, it's just reaffirmation that HK is steadfastly anti-Beijing, has been for some time, and will probably be so in the foreseeable future.

I also bet that a big proportion of those who voted pro-democrat are not necessarily in agreement with the riots themselves and the destruction of property.