Hong-Kong Protests


Nutrient

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Send in the PLA
Why send in the PLA? This is exactly what Jimmy Lai and rioters want.

If I were Beijing, I would simply let Hong Kong keep losing economically -- and tell the island that it was their choice (one country, two systems). If they become too uppity, I would reduce their water supply to where a shower is impossible. As they descend to third-world levels of economic well-being, let them stink.
 
Why send in the PLA? This is exactly what Jimmy Lai and rioters want.

If I were Beijing, I would simply let Hong Kong keep losing economically -- and tell the island that it was their choice (one country, two systems). If they become too uppity, I would reduce their water supply to where a shower is impossible. As they descend to third-world levels of economic well-being, let them stink.
And then they hire Western firms to help them build water refineries. Then they drift away towards independence. Where do you draw the line before the PLA needs to enter to forcefully retain control of this Chinese territory?

I don't know why you think taking a shower is that big a deal. If I could make the ROC and Hong Kong loyal to the PRC and CCP, I would gladly never shower again for the rest of my life. Wipe down with a moist towel is good enough to get by with. Shower deprivation seems like a desperate and useless final FU tactic rather than anything useful.
 

Pika

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It seems many here are getting too worked up over this vote. Council has limited powers. What is? some Budgetary issues, Parks, others I can't recall.
In fact not expecting this backlash is highly naive as I'm sure a lot of young people--an age group that rarely votes and the ones rioting--will come out in force to vote.

Going forward, more riots and destruction. HK will be a PR mouthpiece to the west. But behind the scenes, HK is becoming less and less relevant financial to Beijing as there are other growing Economic Zones in mainland. And the city will come out weaker when the dust settles.

The status quo will remain. In fact, Beijing will tighten things a lot more especially if they have bail it out from the recession; which will be long and deep.
 

KYli

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Why send in the PLA? This is exactly what Jimmy Lai and rioters want.

If I were Beijing, I would simply let Hong Kong keep losing economically -- and tell the island that it was their choice (one country, two systems). If they become too uppity, I would reduce their water supply to where a shower is impossible. As they descend to third-world levels of economic well-being, let them stink.
Gatekeeper isn't serious about sending in the PLA. Cutting back water supply is bad publicity. Simply keeping mainland money from flowing to HK and discouraging tourists to visit HK are enough to bring HK economy down a few notches.

Although I would say if the HKPF can't keep the rioters from even more extreme violence, then the central government might have no choice because it becomes a sovereignty issue.
 

KYli

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It seems many here are getting too worked up over this vote. Council has limited powers. What is? some Budgetary issues, Parks, others I can't recall.
In fact not expecting this backlash is highly naive as I'm sure a lot of young people--an age group that rarely votes and the ones rioting--will come out in force to vote.

Going forward, more riots and destruction. HK will be a PR mouthpiece to the west. But behind the scenes, HK is becoming less and less relevant financial to Beijing as there are other growing Economic Zones in mainland. And the city will come out weaker when the dust settles.

The status quo will remain. In fact, Beijing will tighten things a lot more especially if they have bail it out from the recession; which will be long and deep.
The problem is not about the votes. The problem is that the HK people have spoken. And they are supporting the rioters which gave the rioters legitimacy. That would embolden and encourage the rioters to take extreme measures. Either the central government caves or they would face months or even years of unrest in HK.
 
Using the word "pro-dem" also runs the risk of falling into the trap set by the western MSM, as if only the west can define what is "democracy" what is not. We should not grant them that authority, just like we should not grant them the authority to interpret the Basic Law.

Sometimes, after being "brainwashed" by western propaganda, we are accustomed to their terminology and definition of concept, so much so that we unconsciously play by their rules. It is time to turn the whole table and have our own say.
This is a good nuanced point. Similarly somewhere in this thread in a video an academic explained that technically Hong Kong was occupied territory by British invaders rather than a colony as a colony implies the lack of locals and the lack of a local government prior to the arrival of foreigners which was not the case. Bigotry and racism is built into the concept of colonialism with how it purported civilized savage natives, funny that the Chinese regarded the British as savages.
 

Appix

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So we have a New Manchukuo on the periphery of the Chinese mainland. One that is willing to serve hostile foreign powers right on our frontdoor. I think Beijing has underestimated the foreign influence, pro-riot majority and anger in Hongkong. Good wake up call.

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supercat

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The problem is not about the votes. The problem is that the HK people have spoken. And they are supporting the rioters which gave the rioters legitimacy. That would embolden and encourage the rioters to take extreme measures. Either the central government caves or they would face months or even years of unrest in HK.
"democracy" that supports violent rioters does not sound like real democracy to me. It's just mob-rule.
 
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Pika

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The problem is not about the votes. The problem is that the HK people have spoken. And they are supporting the rioters which gave the rioters legitimacy. That would embolden and encourage the rioters to take extreme measures. Either the central government caves or they would face months or even years of unrest in HK.
It doesn't matter. If they take extreme measures, it will detract the movement from HK citizens. The West won't be able to keep calling it peaceful (but they will still blame the central govt.) and the final point, if their extreme measures includes "actual terrorism", central govt. has no choice but to step in.
And once they do, HK's autonomy is no more. Forget 2047 if that happens, it will happen soon.

The other scenario is months of protest. Central govt. just has to sit back and let it be. The city is in a recession. It will be a long, deep one if protest continues. And Beijing bailing HK out means it will come with preconditions. More tight controls on things, less autonomy.

Time is on Beijing's side. Years of unrest will do nothing but ruin their own city which will then be bailed out by the mainland.
 

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