Hong-Kong Protests

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
The problem is not about the votes. The problem is that the HK people have spoken. And they are supporting the rioters which gave the rioters legitimacy. That would embolden and encourage the rioters to take extreme measures. Either the central government caves or they would face months or even years of unrest in HK.

Someone here finally got it. This is why I'm so annoyed at the result. It's not so much that the win gives the rioting thugs anything. In fact it gives them very little internally.

But it will give them the reasons to carry on rioting. Because their goals is not about internal park management. Etc. Their goals is independence! With this results, they will go to the western countries with some legitimacy. And the West will bleed this result for all it's worth! in the end. It will be people like my family that will suffered because these spoilt thugs!
 
Pandem : proest:indp 165:19:5

I give up. After all the rioting, etc. And the people voted pan-democrats!

I feel you. It saddened me that once a great city now would face its inevitable decline. I probably wouldn't visit HK unless absolutely necessary. My many relatives in HK probably would stay out of politics and keep their head down.

That is slave mentality. This election proves that Hong Kong already has democracy under 1C2S otherwise the anti-establishment candidates wouldn't have been allowed to win. All Hong Kong residents should participate in elections, it is their civic duty as well as right, when everyone participates is the only way democracy can achieve fair results.

It pains me that after seeing all these wanton destructions, bullying, arson, attempted murder and assaination, and finally murder.

The populace still vote for those people who (not all) support violence against its own people.

It is fair to say the "independence" parties which is the majority of the thugs come from didn't do too well.

However, I hold the pan-democrats parties equally guilty because of their silence!

People remain silence when evil is perpetrated are equally guity!

Send in the PLA

Actually these election results should not be too much of a surprise considering how the local government allowed the rioters to run rampant, failed to address underlying issues for many years as well as failed to deal with immediate issues, and the pro-establishment and pro-Beijing camps failed to rally their own public support both during the rioting before the elections and during the elections.

The Western narrative lumps together several different anti-establishment camps but these camps are independent of each other and not all support or excuse the rioters' bad behavior and they are also of varying degrees of being tolerant/hostile to Beijing's influence in Hong Kong and the CCP.

As long as the rioters get as fairly processed as possible through the legal system and don't get amnesty and there are no further violent activities (or the authorities somehow actually manage to curtail them) then there is no reason for the central Chinese government to interfere with either the PAP or the PLA.

But there is a long way to go to develop a competent local leadership as well as competent pro-Beijing camps.
 

Appix

Senior Member
Registered Member
Party politics happened to KMT. There is sound reason why party politics was considered the main factor that brought down the Ming dynasty. Party politics corrupts politician’s moral, dignity and aspiration. Modern multi-party democracy is party politics with more layers of window dressing but the essence remains the same. The political atmosphere in Taiwan determined that any politician with a shred of dignity and moral compass intact would only be burried alive by his/her opponents. Hongkong same story.
 

KYli

Brigadier
That is slave mentality. This election proves that Hong Kong already has democracy under 1C2S otherwise the anti-establishment candidates wouldn't have been allowed to win. All Hong Kong residents should participate in elections, it is their civic duty as well as right, when everyone participates is the only way democracy can achieve fair results.

Do you really think the rioters would accept defeat? Before the election, the rioters at LIHKG and TG have already decided not to accept the result of the election if things didn't go in their way. And with their sophisticated propaganda and the support of the media, they would have succeeded. The election result just makes things easy for them.

If you think cyber bullying is bad, then you should take a look at the bullying by the rioters. Basically if you don't agree with them, they would find out who you are, where you work, where your wife work, where your parents work, and where your children go to schools and use every means they could to harass you and your family.


Actually these election results should not be too much of a surprise considering how the local government allowed the rioters to run rampant, failed to address underlying issues for many years as well as failed to deal with immediate issues, and the pro-establishment and pro-Beijing camps failed to rally their own public support both during the rioting before the elections and during the elections.

The Western narrative lumps together several different anti-establishment camps but these camps are independent of each other and not all support or excuse the rioters' bad behavior and they are also of varying degrees of being tolerant/hostile to Beijing's influence in Hong Kong and the CCP.

As long as the rioters get as fairly processed as possible through the legal system and don't get amnesty and there are no further violent activities (or the authorities somehow actually manage to curtail them) then there is no reason for the central Chinese government to interfere with either the PAP or the PLA.

But there is a long way to go to develop a competent local leadership as well as competent pro-Beijing camps.

All anti-establishment camps have vowed to never cut ties with the radicals no matter what they did. So even some of them don't agree with some of things that the rioters did don't matter because they would support the rioters no matter what.

I never advocate for the PLA or PAP but the central government might not have a choice if things go from bad to worse. HK government wants to cave and give the rioters amnesty but the central government refused to do so. This election would open the door for the HK government to request for amnesty and special committee to investigate the HKPF. Not sure what the central government would respond.
 

Nutrient

Junior Member
Registered Member
And then they hire Western firms to help them build water refineries.

Desalination plants need a lot of power. Hong Kong is already importing electricity from the Daya Bay nuclear power plant in Shenzhen; that can be cut along with the fresh water.

Perhaps ths island could overcome the simultaneous shortages of water, electricity, and food. But it would be expensive. They'll enjoy a higher cost of living, which is almost unendurably high already -- even as their economy continues to decay.


Then they drift away towards independence. Where do you draw the line before the PLA needs to enter to forcefully retain control of this Chinese territory?

No need to send the PLA. Ever. If Hong Kong should declare independence, a total economic blockade would bring the island to its knees.


I don't know why you think taking a shower is that big a deal. If I could make the ROC and Hong Kong loyal to the PRC and CCP, I would gladly never shower again for the rest of my life. Wipe down with a moist towel is good enough to get by with. Shower deprivation seems like a desperate and useless final FU tactic rather than anything useful.

I doubt the women would agree that a daily wipe down would be adequate -- especially in an area as hot and sweaty as Hong Kong.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Desalination plants need a lot of power. Hong Kong is already importing electricity from the Daya Bay nuclear power plant in Shenzhen; that can be cut along with the fresh water.

Perhaps ths island could overcome the simultaneous shortages of water, electricity, and food. But it would be expensive. They'll enjoy a higher cost of living, which is almost unendurably high already -- even as their economy continues to decay.

No need to send the PLA. Ever. If Hong Kong should declare independence, a total economic blockade would bring the island to its knees.

I doubt the women would agree that a daily wipe down would be adequate -- especially in an area as hot and sweaty as Hong Kong.
That sounds like the more reasonable people will just move out of Hong Kong and Hong Kong will be left to despots and terrorists who don't care what their quality of life is as long as they are not ruled by the CCP. So what if Hong Kong's economy is ruined and on its knees? They declared INDEPENDENCE (in this imaginary scenario). China LOST TERRITORY!! It doesn't matter if Hong Kong turns into Somalia; that is unacceptable to China to ever lose territory. If you don't send the PLA to safeguard Chinese land, then what are they for? You might as well disband them.

The goal is to unite China and all her people to build up national power. Not to make Hong Kong miserable. This is definitely not the goal of the CCP nor an acceptable outcome.
 

solarz

Brigadier
It seems the way forward for Beijing is clear: let HK suffer the pains of its own making.

HK is finished as a financial centre, and the riots will continue for the foreseeable future.
 
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