Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

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I am a middle class guy who grew up in HK and was moved "astronaut" style by my parents to the US as a high school student after the 1989 crackdown and have kept a close tab on developments in HK since despite staying in the US.

There is a segment of the HK population who has blind prejudice against the PRC and to some extent the HKSAR governments when they should really be looking at themselves, all parts of HK society (it's more than just the people and the government, big business anyone?), and the rest of the world to see how HK and HKers should adapt to succeed in a changing world.
I apologize. I guess we are the same. right now hk needs us. I finally got some sleep sigh
 

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I am a middle class guy who grew up in HK and was moved "astronaut" style by my parents to the US as a high school student after the 1989 crackdown and have kept a close tab on developments in HK since despite staying in the US.

There is a segment of the HK population who has blind prejudice against the PRC and to some extent the HKSAR governments when they should really be looking at themselves, all parts of HK society (it's more than just the people and the government, big business anyone?), and the rest of the world to see how HK and HKers should adapt to succeed in a changing world.

Well said, PanAsian. What China needs right now is to complete her economic development, and political reforms should take a back seat to that. If a workable parallel track can be found to do both, then so much the better, but empirical evidence from all other developed nations show that's not likely. The tried and true path is to complete economic development first, including all the social, institutions, and infrastructure that goes with it, before embarking on major political and suffrage reforms. Countries that did the opposite became basket cases, with India and post-Soviet Russia being prime examples.

China is too important to the world to mess up, and premature massive democratic reforms could implode the civilization-state. The world cannot afford an imploded China.
 

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be proud of making middle income and low bracket unable to purchase houses?


honestly I am starting to become quite disappointed with this forum.

Don't fall into the trap of being misdirected and getting drained on issues that are not directly related. It is a very common on this forum when posters either intentionally or ignorantly will bring up topics that are not connected when they can't deal with the relevant issues substantively or directly.

As to the issue of property prices, what is frustrating in my view is that we are not dealing with a level playing field because of speculative money that are questionable in nature e.g. from corruption. There is no way ordinary people can compete with those kind of resources. When I was based in HK in 1991-92, there were already plenty of stories regarding mainlanders buying properties in Repulse Bay (where I was living as an expat) carrying money in suit cases. If you know HK, you should also know how expensive properties are in Repulse Bay even in those days.
 

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Riot police use pepper spray, tear gas & water cannons against protesters after thousands of people block a main road to the financial central district outside the government headquarters in Hong Kong, Sunday, Sept. 28, 2014. A tense standoff between thousands of Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters and police warning of a crackdown spiraled into an extraordinary scene of chaos Sunday as the crowd jammed a busy road and clashed with officers wielding pepper spray. (AP Photo/Vincent Yu)

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Hong Kong part III

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Hong Kong (CNN) -- After a day of tense protests in Hong Kong in which at least 38 people were injured, organizers called on tens of thousands of pro-democracy demonstrators in the Chinese territory to head home late Sunday.

But early Monday morning, it appeared many of the protesters were set to continue to jam streets of the business district.

The sometimes violent demonstrations follow a week of student-led boycotts and protests against what many see as the encroachment of China's political will on Hong Kong's governance. They were responding to China's decision to allow only Beijing-vetted candidates to stand in the city's elections for chief executive, Hong Kong's top civil position.

One student group, fearing police might use rubber bullets, asked late Sunday for demonstrators to leave. But while the mood at the primary protest had calmed, there was no large exodus.

Not all protest leaders were calling for people to leave. Pro-democracy activist and lawmaker Leung Kwok-hung, known by many as "Long Hair," cheered on those who were staying.

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Don't fall into the trap of being misdirected and getting drained on issues that are not directly related. It is a very common on this forum when posters either intentionally or ignorantly will bring up topics that are not connected when they can't deal with the relevant issues substantively or directly.

As to the issue of property prices, what is frustrating in my view is that we are not dealing with a level playing field because of speculative money that are questionable in nature e.g. from corruption. There is no way ordinary people can compete with those kind of resources. When I was based in HK in 1991-92, there were already plenty of stories regarding mainlanders buying properties in Repulse Bay (where I was living as an expat) carrying money in suit cases. If you know HK, you should also know how expensive properties are in Repulse Bay even in those days.

Speculators are going to speculate just as sharks like blood. There is no level playing field in profit making.

As for HK real estate, it will no doubt remain out of price range for most middle class HKers by virtue of large population living in a small area. The peg to US Fed is also exacerbating the high real estate pricing. Cost of building more affordable housing are eventually going to fall on regular tax payers anyway. Basically, too many people, too little land.
 

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While I sympathize with young protesters wanting to air out their grievances over economic reasons, their actions if continue are going to do them and Hong Kong a great disservice. HK's economy has three main pillars: finance, real estate, tourism. All of them are going to be negatively affected by this occupy central movement (instability) if it continues long after the national day holiday.

With the opening of free trade zone and commodity exchange in Shanghai, HK is steadily losing its competitive advantage as a middleman facilitating trade between China and west. Tourism industry was somewhat damaged by the overzealous and misguided anti-locust (essentially anti mainlander) campaign. One can't go piss off the biggest tourist segment and expect no repercussions. With the increased disposable income of mainlanders, they have many travelling choices, places that make them feel welcome. Essentially, time and circumstances have changed for Hong Kong. China has opened its door for business for many years. Hong Kong can no longer afford to remain complacent and aloof (to mainlanders) while expecting businesses and economic opportunities to come to them by its outdated virtue of being the gateway between China and the rest of the world.

The same applies to HK youths and young adults, they have to devote more time into education and skill training in order to improve their own competitiveness for a more challenging future than their parents' generation . I hope students protesting for economical reasons go back to school after the national holiday. Protesting peacefully and political activism are all good as long as they have their priority straight. A person with bad grades and no marketable skills is not going to get any good job offers regardless of the political system.
 
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I will upload some videos to share with you guys.
 
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