Germany Carl Zeiss, heart of Dutch ASML Lithography Equipment.

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Pyrrho

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Huawei will increase its research budget by a third this year. But reverse engineering a EUV lithography machine isn't easy. The standard estimate in the semiconductor industry is that it will take China five years to close the gap with ASML, LAM and AM. I can't evaluate this. The assumption is that these matters are more secret than top secret.
 

SoupDumplings

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I totally agree. China needs to be strategic. The EU is biased against China but they hate trump admin a lot as well. China needs to be very cordial to EU, especially after this coronovirus pandemic when the US showed it's true colors. and who knows, maybe the EU is strong enough to go against US hegemony.



Sounds great but building it by researchers and putting it into use can have a substantial delay, if it ever happens as all.
I highly doubt the EU has the capability or will of going against the US. But China doesn't have to make people go against the US. Most of the world is in a recession right now, and the last thing they want is to get pulled into a geopolitical competition. All China needs to do is to begin trade deals with countries other than the US. They'll be more than happy for a chance at recovering their economies.

China and the EU are supposed to have trade talks soon; China needs to stay calm until a deal is signed, and let the US cause damage to itself. Start increasing trade ties with individual EU nations if possible.

Yeah, sadly China will still have quite a ways to go for its chips. China will definitely need to prevent the US from cutting off technology from Europe, or else her semiconductor industry will be held back significantly.
 

manqiangrexue

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What swift SMEE and SMIC improvement you talking about?
SMEE's DUV machines, SMIC going 28nm to 14nm to 7nm in like a year.
How do you know Hisilicon can and cannnot do?
Its logic chip design not particular semiconductor manufacturing. Why are you assuming things?
Because it's a fair assumption that top companies in the field know their field and a decent amount about the services they contracted out. And also, given China's thirst for talent, that someone was turned away multiple times shows me that that talent was not someone who could help them. The biggest crazy assumption made here is that if tidalwave says he was valuable to Huawei, then he was.
Like i said huawei prepared well on logic chip design but not on OS and chip manufacturing.
So what? Can you help on either of these? If so, then go. If they say they don't need you, then maybe they're not as under-prepared as you think. Don't overestimate yourself and assume all values of X are zero for others.
There are public knowledge on. for example, waste treatment. does it means huawei have people know that field?
No idea what you're talking about. Public knowledge, no matter in what field, is cheap. If there was anything that tidalwave could offer Huawei, they would have taken him up on it, but he couldn't offer much and they didn't want the public knowledge he had, so they ignored him. Very easy to see from a logical perspective.
 

localizer

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Chinese firms have very selective hiring processes especially for those returning from overseas.

If you don't have anything state of the art to offer, they don't need you. There's plenty of talented Chinese within China to choose from to be another technician.


China right now needs Chinese who have worked in firms such as TSMC, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Applied Materials, etc... You need to have those on your resume.



I'm assuming Tidalwave doesn't have work experience in those companies. His knowledge in semiconductor is basically what he can find and understand on Wikipedia.

If Tidalwave is the best China got then China is screwed.
 

localizer

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Nikkei reported months ago that 10% of Taiwan's semiconductor fabrication engineers were already working on the mainland at double pay.


Yes, they get paid 3 million RMB.

However, I hear many are just trying to screw China by BSing till they get fired. That's why China is tightening hiring rules.

But what do you expect from youth who are essentially future members of Hongkong ISIS.
 

adiru

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Chinese firms have very selective hiring processes especially for those returning from overseas.

If you don't have anything state of the art to offer, they don't need you. There's plenty of talented Chinese within China to choose from to be another technician.


China right now needs Chinese who have worked in firms such as TSMC, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Applied Materials, etc... You need to have those on your resume.



I'm assuming Tidalwave doesn't have work experience in those companies. His knowledge in semiconductor is basically what he can find and understand on Wikipedia.

If Tidalwave is the best China got then China is screwed.
I think his purpose is different. I dont recall he said he looking for a job but wanted huawei to change direction.

From first hand experiences. Proposal from annoymous people usually rejected for few reasons.

Especially proposal in changing company direction. Usually management are afraid of big changes due to worry of being risky and their job security. Secondly bringing an annoymous proposal to higher meeting would bring about losing face.

Ironically all those big names companies you mentioned have no expertise on EUV. lol
 

SoupDumplings

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Chinese firms have very selective hiring processes especially for those returning from overseas.

If you don't have anything state of the art to offer, they don't need you. There's plenty of talented Chinese within China to choose from to be another technician.


China right now needs Chinese who have worked in firms such as TSMC, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Applied Materials, etc... You need to have those on your resume.



I'm assuming Tidalwave doesn't have work experience in those companies. His knowledge in semiconductor is basically what he can find and understand on Wikipedia.

If Tidalwave is the best China got then China is screwed.
Erm, I think those of us who would like tidalwave back aren't claiming he/she is the best China has. But tidalwave has contributed quite a bit, and seems to know more than most other users/has some experience in the industry.

Personally, I like to just refer information I find online to tidalwave see if it is legit or not. Even if tidalwave isn't a top level expert, he/she seems to be able to tell if an article is overhyping or is significant. At least, that's my view.
 

Chish

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I'm am also sad that @tidalwave was banned. He put on a lot of technical posts on this forum. I wonder if the ban was temporary? Maybe it can be reversed?

I would agree wholeheartedly with above posts. We need to try and look at china's success and failure from objective POV. I really want China to succeed, but I agree they seem very inexperienced at global PR. And they really need to better anticipate moves by the US and mix in more diplomacy.

I do hope we can have @tidalwave back.
He will be back by what ever means, he is obsessed with this thread. Not necessarily a good thing. Sometimes too arrogant and rude with a political view.
 

Canuck place

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Erm, I think those of us who would like tidalwave back aren't claiming he/she is the best China has. But tidalwave has contributed quite a bit, and seems to know more than most other users/has some experience in the industry.

Personally, I like to just refer information I find online to tidalwave see if it is legit or not. Even if tidalwave isn't a top level expert, he/she seems to be able to tell if an article is overhyping or is significant. At least, that's my view.

Yes my reasoning as well. I don't think @tidalwave said he was the best but he has provided a lot of technical information ok this forum which has been quite informative and detailed. It helps put a lot of information out there into perspective. Personally I think he added to this thread post and forum in general, even if he can be aggressive at times.
 
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