Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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FairAndUnbiased

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Recall when Biden was VP under Obama admin when he started the pivot to Asia... that Bo Xilia guy was supposed to come to power but in a bizarre twist he was exposed and then Xi came to power, did the anticorruption purge, and instituted BRI and MIC2025...

US was too overconfidence with wishful thinking and thought it had the cat in the bag, China was supposed to sign Plaza Accord 2.0 and remained America's slave forever ..

Now its entire pyramid scheme is collapsing hence why it resorting to going to full scale war to try and preserve it
Bo Xilai was nowhere near power. He wasn't even in PBSC. Wang Yang was supposed to be their liberal puppet, and he was indeed allowed to ascend to the PBSC, but as a relatively low ranking member and firmly under Xi and Li's thumb.
 

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Humanity on earth
No. It is white people of earth.

Notice almost every time some white people are exposed for doing evil things, you constantly hear (most likely from white people) "oh, the cruelty of man", "why do people do this?", "the globalists", "the deep state", "f that one specific individual person", "it's the Jews", "it's the cryptojews", etc.

When it's a non white like a Chinese merely accused of doing something wrong, it's "f China", "f Chinese people", "all Chinese are bad", "this is just Chinese culture", etc.
 

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Military figures: The Eastern theater may forcefully counter the US senators​


Sound of the Straits Broadcasting Station, Fuzhou, August 14th: According to relevant sources of the Chinese military, in response to the US senator leading a delegation to Taiwan, the Eastern Theater Command may organize a strong military countermeasure in the sea and airspace around Taiwan Island during the passage of the US senator.


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Global Times: US keeps provoking tensions in Straits with lawmakers' sneaky visit, to face 'firm countermeasures'


The official account of the Voice of Straits, a mainland state media outlet focusing on cross-Taiwan Straits news, said on Sunday that "according to sources from the Chinese military, the PLA Eastern Theater Command is likely to conduct strong and powerful military operations in the waters and airspace around the island of Taiwan as countermeasures to the latest visit to the island by US lawmakers."


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Chevalier

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Is it possible at some point for China to simply send fighters to intercept planes from visiting US Senators/ EU bureaucrats/Lithuanian politicians and detain these people for conspiracy in violation of the Anti Secession Law and assorted terrorism?
Now that i think of it, it might actually be useful for China to pull a US style extrajudicial act and extradite these politicians from 3rd party nations for incitement for terrorism. I'm thinking sometime when China has in excess of 12 Supercarriers and over 1500 nukes with nuclear triad to boot.
Let US Senators fear even to go for holidays in Cancun.
Final point, in fact if China wanted to initiate conflict, it could goad the US to act by imprisoning US Senators and former Presidents and dragging them to the Hague.
 

9dashline

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Humanity on earth will be a case study by other species in the solar system in the future as one of the dumbest species who kill each other base on 1% difference rather than work together base on 99% similarities.
Sorry but only planet earth is in the goldilocks zone to support life, the closests other planet is 100 light years away.... to give a sense of how far that is, you know the two voyager probes sent out all those decades ago? the furtherest man made object ever? yeah its only almost gone a single light day so far...

Also if humans fail, no other life on earth will be able to have a go a it... in less than a billion years the sun will swallow the earth. it took 3 billion years from single cell to evolve to humans... even if life doesnt start from scratch, all th low hanging fruit is gone and used up... coal and oil took billions of years to form, uranium and other radioactive material formed in the belly of supernova once used up these will never be found on earth again .. making it impossible for some other future species to evolve into advanced intelligent lifeform and by bootstrapping themselves using hydrocarbons in the oil age and nuclear materials in their fission/fusion ages... basically making their transition impossible... humanity had one go at it. thats it. America may have ruined it for all life within 100 light years, possibly entire galaxy or universe even
 

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Sorry but only planet earth is in the goldilocks zone to support life, the closests other planet is 100 light years away.... to give a sense of how far that is, you know the two voyager probes sent out all those decades ago? the furtherest man made object ever? yeah its only almost gone a single light day so far...

Also if humans fail, no other life on earth will be able to have a go a it... in less than a billion years the sun will swallow the earth. it took 3 billion years from single cell to evolve to humans... even if life doesnt start from scratch, all th low hanging fruit is gone and used up... coal and oil took billions of years to form, uranium and other radioactive material formed in the belly of supernova once used up these will never be found on earth again .. making it impossible for some other future species to evolve into advanced intelligent lifeform and by bootstrapping themselves using hydrocarbons in the oil age and nuclear materials in their fission/fusion ages... basically making their transition impossible... humanity had one go at it. thats it. America may have ruined it for all life within 100 light years, possibly entire galaxy or universe even
That would be a funny headline,

Headline: "News flash, America dooms the galaxy, all life within the next 100 light-year radius is doomed to have no future! Now in other news, milky way chocolate stocks up 3 percent!"
 

BoeingEngineer

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Is it possible for China to form official military alliance with Russia ?

1. China offer Russia weapons they desperately need for the war in Ukraine.
2. Russia add its superior nuclear arsenal than the US and send a deadly message to the US that any use of nuclear weapons against China will result in joint China Russia nuclear counter attack and wipe out the entire West.
3. This give China enough time to build up nuclear parity with the US and then take over Taiwan. China currently does not have nuclear parity with US but Russia has nuclear superiority to the US !
4. Or if war break out now, China and safely take over Taiwan without having to worry the full blown nuclear escalation from US.
5. Of course the draw back is sanctions from the US.

What do you guys think?
 

BoeingEngineer

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This is why i mentioned in my post Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

that the Sino-US conflict is more akin to the Punic Wars than the Thucydides Trap.

Certainly the US will fight tooth and nail to prevent its decline, every empire does that, but whether or not it succeeds is a different thing entirely. And that's part of the problem because the cost for the US to maintain hegemony- war with China- is something even the US hesitates, because it needs and wants its allies to bear the brunt of the dying and destruction, so it can sit safely from afar profiting from war.
In that vein, i regard the recent exercises from Russia, China and Iran in Venezuela, to be highly significant, in signalling to the US that this time, the Americans won't be able to sit safely at home, watching the bombs go off on CNN; rather, they'll be getting front row live action experiences in real time.

Exactly !! Just read the description of the Punic Wars:

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surrounding Sicily. The conflict began because Rome's imperial ambitions had been interfering with Carthage's ownership claims of the island of Sicily. Carthage was the dominant power of the western Mediterranean at the time, and had an extensive maritime empire; meanwhile, Rome was a rapidly expanding state that had a powerful army but a weak navy. The conflict lasted for 23 years and caused substantial
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ACuriousPLAFan

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Honestly speaking, based on China's population (1.420 billion as of 2022) and project it onto the current geopolitical scenario facing the world right now, I have two schools of thoughts. They can be controversial, but reasonable.

School ot Thought 1 - If China's population could be smaller, that means every single person in China would have more resources to utilize and share with everyone. Natural yet precious resources like clean water, good food, fresh air and fertile land, etc.

To be honest, China is very blessed to have Tibet and the Himalayas shielding the Chinese heartland from the Indian subcontinent (i.e. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan & Maldives). In case anyone here doesn't realize, the Indian subcontinent which only has 45.8% the land area of China is now supporting the life of 1.9 billion people - that is, 135% of the population of China (and still increasing at a considerable pace).

That means with global warming, worsening climate conditions and overpopulation right now and in the coming years and decades, things are going to get much worse and much more challenging in the Indian subcontinent. And guess what would happen in case people turns from fighting over oil and gas, to fighting over water and land? This is especially when we have two countries in the subcontinent which are both #1 - At each other's throats; and #2 - Nuclear-armed.

Recall that both countries almost went to full nuclear war in 2001-2002. A meterorite which exploded over the Mediterranean at that time could have triggered nuclear exchange between the two countries should it explode over those two countries instead.

Pardon me for saying this (especially for anyone in the SDF that comes from the subcontinent), but in my view, the Indian subcontinent is a powder keg waiting to blow, as long as no concrete measures are taken to resolve the issues above. Hence, the Tibetan and Himalayan mountains are perfect natural shields for China from whatever is going to happen south of that barrier in the foreseeable future - all while still maintaining sufficient amounts of natural resources for her own people. China must make sure that those mountain ranges be held and controlled at all costs.

School of Thought 2 - If China's population could be bigger (threoratically speaking, it already is), then the probability for China as a civilization state to survive in the event of a major catastrophe happening to China would become greater.

This is in light of how we have seen the US-led West are marching towards full-on fascist supremacist N4z1sm, and that they would never accept the fact that a non-white country would be surpassing them in nearly every metric. In case of a major confrontation between China and the US-led West (of which Taiwan would be the fuse in my opinion), they are most likely to just go with full scorched-earth against China and the rest of the world, rather than surrender and accept the new reality.

(Rest of the world here refers to countries that have large populations and thus, having greater potential and would be targetted as well, e.g. Brazil, Indonesia, Nigeria)

Remember that China does not yet possess a credible nuclear parity with the United States based on current estimates (and may not be for the good part of this decade unless China is somehow able to spam nuclear warheads like dumplings), of which I would like to keep the figures conservative to not appear overconfident. Say, one day when the global and regional geopolitical situations become so unfavorable for the US-led West that they would resort to nuclear weapons as to wiping out China's right to even exist, many Chinese population centers in the eastern half of the country would definitely become prime targets.

Hence, that's why I believe that for this school of thought, China needs to have more people - Such that in case nuclear armagedon did broke out and China gets severely nuked and losing tens or even hundreds of millions of people - The more people China has, the more people in China that would be able to survive the nuclear armageddon imposed by the US-led West in an all-out nuclear exchange.

Furthermore, the more people in China that would survive the nuclear armageddon, the more people China could utilize for rebuilding, restructuring, redevelop and hence, rise again from the ashes of nuclear fallout, which would thus better ensure the survival of the civilization state.

Plus, in my opinion, whoever can rise up the fastest in the post-nuclear-armageddon world - Would be able to reign supreme on this little blue dot in the vast expanse of the universe for the foreseeable future to cone.

China has faced almost near complete devestation of her civilization state on several occasions throughout the history of China, and managed to live and tell those stories to the future generations every single time. I believe China could achieve the same too, this time.

Whether these 2 schools of thought contradict with each other, or they can coexist with compromises made is subject to everyone's interpretation.
 
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