Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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ZeEa5KPul

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I think it needs to wait for “S.4428 - whether the Taiwan Policy Act of 2022" is approved can be concluded.
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"Prohibition Against Recognizing The People's Republic Of China's Claims To Sovereignty Over Taiwan"
They have even formulated a series of sanctions, demanding that China should not take any action.
Trying your luck again trolling around here, huh? That law is meaningless. Quote me the part where the US pledges to defend an independent Taiwan or gives nuclear weapons to Taiwan or, you know, crosses any of China's actual red lines. Don't waste my time with nonsense.
If this proposal is really passed, I think the United States intends to take the initiative to create war.
You don't take the initiative to create war by pushing silly legalese. You create a war by opening fire.
 

GZDRefugee

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Considering 9/11 was supposed to be the Second Pearl Harbor that secured American dominance in the 21th century (per the Cheney PNAC plans) and here we are 22 years into it and US is already on the verge of total collapse, it doesn't seem likely even if they were to get a third Pearl Harbor moment that it wouldn't do anything but accelerate American hyperimplosion... so maybe they can "win" as in scorthed earth by way of MAD/nuclear world war but that's hardly a victory in the traditional sense
Relying on your opponents to be incompetent is a poor strategy.

The vast majority of Americans will believe whatever their party wants them to believe. Unfortunately, kneecapping China's ascension is bipartisan. If war is what the government wants, the public will be whipped into a bloodthirsty mob.
 

9dashline

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Relying on your opponents to be incompetent is a poor strategy.

The vast majority of Americans will believe whatever their party wants them to believe. Unfortunately, kneecapping China's ascension is bipartisan. If war is what the government wants, the public will be whipped into a bloodthirsty mob.
I agree that war is coming and that US is already decided to go to full scale war with China no matter what...

All I'm saying is in the nuclear age China must make sure that US does not get to get away with another Pearl Harbor moment whilsts reaping the profits and making the rest of the world pay for another 75 years.... while it watches safetly from afar the shit that it instigated and stirred up in faraway lands... One way or another, two can play this scorthed earth game and I would rather the CPC end all life on earth than to acquiese the 1.7 billion Chinese people to slavery under whitey ever again

That should be the real bottom line... that America cannot get away with it this time no matter what
 
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GZDRefugee

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I agree that war is coming and that US is already decided to go to full scale war with China no matter what...

All I'm saying is in the nuclear age China must make sure that US does not get to get away with another Pearl Harbor moment whilsts reaping the profits and making the rest of the world pay for another 75 years.... while it watches safetly from afar the shit that it instigated and stirred up in faraway lands... One way or another, two can play this scorthed earth game and I would rather the CPC end all life on earth than to acquiese the 1.7 billion Chinese people to slavery under whitey ever again

That should be the real bottom line... that America cannot get away with it this time no matter what
My fear is the US would feel the same way if they lost or were losing. That they would rather end humanity than give up their hegemony.
 

zhangjim

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Trying your luck again trolling around here, huh? That law is meaningless. Quote me the part where the US pledges to defend an independent Taiwan or gives nuclear weapons to Taiwan or, you know, crosses any of China's actual red lines. Don't waste my time with nonsense.

You don't take the initiative to create war by pushing silly legalese. You create a war by opening fire.
Strictly speaking, the Americans want to replicate the "Ukrainian war" in East Asia.
Taiwan will undoubtedly be a casualty, but it will help the US launch its coveted "New Cold War".As we all know, Americans have been looking for an opportunity to get rid of China and find some third world countries that are easy to control to produce consumer goods for them.

Apparently these politicians felt that the proposed sanctions would intimidate the Chinese.However, we still do not know how Biden intends to reduce the inflation rate,and it is not easy to persuade Indians not to confiscate the property of foreign-funded enterprises.
But remember, diplomatic setbacks will inevitably make the cost of military means higher and higher.In the past, Taiwan was an "orphan" not recognized internationally. But if the proposal is passed next month, then Taiwan could gain more overt foreign support.
Perhaps some countries will be driven by the United States (such as Lithuania) to take the lead in recognizing Taiwan diplomatically.
 
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9dashline

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Strictly speaking, the Americans want to replicate the "Ukrainian war" in East Asia.
Taiwan will undoubtedly be a casualty, but it will help the US launch its coveted "New Cold War".As we all know, Americans have been looking for an opportunity to get rid of China and find some third world countries that are easy to control to produce consumer goods for them.

Apparently these politicians felt that the proposed sanctions would intimidate the Chinese.However, we still do not know how Biden intends to reduce the inflation rate,and it is not easy to persuade Indians not to confiscate the property of foreign-funded enterprises.
But remember, diplomatic setbacks will inevitably make the cost of military means higher and higher.In the past, Taiwan was an "orphan" not recognized internationally. But if the proposal is passed next month, then Taiwan could gain more overt foreign support.
Perhaps some countries will be driven by the United States (such as Lithuania) to take the lead in recognizing Taiwan diplomatically.
Recall when Biden was VP under Obama admin when he started the pivot to Asia... that Bo Xilia guy was supposed to come to power but in a bizarre twist he was exposed and then Xi came to power, did the anticorruption purge, and instituted BRI and MIC2025...

US was too overconfidence with wishful thinking and thought it had the cat in the bag, China was supposed to sign Plaza Accord 2.0 and remained America's slave forever ..

Now its entire pyramid scheme is collapsing hence why it resorting to going to full scale war to try and preserve it
 

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Say a military conflict happens. (I'm knocking on wood here; knocking so hard my hand is covered in splinters)

What's the endgame here? I don't think the US will stop even if they lose the near-China conflict. They'll spin it into another Pearl Harbor moment.

There is no end game, for the Americans at least.

China's end game is to beat the Americans and kick them out of Asia. If that does not work, then the end game is to outlast them, which means they will be kicked out of Asia anyways.

There is one premise that has to be true, which is China will not conquer the United States and the United States will not conquer China.

After the war, if there actually is one, we will go back to playing the same games that we are watching play out now. Trade war, tech war, gray-warfare, blah blah blah.

The Americans are not strategic geniuses.
 
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