Fourth Taiwan Strait Crisis

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FriedButter

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Thus, when Jake Sullivan observes that there is not enough anti-China sentiment to bolster an image of the United States as a “saviour of mankind” against China and that America is in need of a “Pearl Harbour moment” I would be very wary.

The circus around Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan in the coming days, and evident glee that is coming forth from many of these neocons frothing at the mouth over this prospect is a clear sign that something incredibly reckless and stupid is about to happen.

Are these experts the same neocons who want a Pearl Harbor moment?

China ‘convinced it needs to hit US with Pearl Harbor-style surprise attack’ to win war over Taiwan, expert warns
 

9dashline

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Are these experts the same neocons who want a Pearl Harbor moment?
Rice and Rumsfield and Cheney were talking about "Pearl Harbor" moment right before 9/11 ....

In the Project for New American Century they wrote about needing a new Pearl Harbor incident to assure US stays on top in the 21st century...

Makes you wonder not only about 9/11 but the last (real) Pearl Harbor before that and the next future coming one after it.... which is likely to involve China and TW...

Pearl Harbor #2 didnt work out as well for US as the first one, if they want to try for #3 I dont think they are going to like the result and outcome
 
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It has been since the very start, when the Japanese traitor Lee Teng Hui created the pro-independence movement under the guise of democracy.

He'll be one of the people whose graves are pissed on hundreds of years into the future.
The post-liberation purge of pro-independence and IJA elements will be a long, but incredibly satisfying process for all.
 

Lime

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America is in need of a “Pearl Harbour moment”
On the contrary, I think Pelosi's trip to Taiwan actually result in the Chinese version of “Pearl Harbour moment”.
China now have 10 more times STEM graduates than the US every year and 2 more times power generation than the US now.
What will happen if China devotes to counter the US in every field.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Two can play the salami-slicing game. The DPP salami-slicing towards Taiwanese independence. The PLA salami-slicing towards the Taiwanese mainland.

Now the PLA has crossed the median line. If the DPP salami slices some more. The PLA will eventually reach the coast of Taiwan mainland. See who loses their nerves 1st. The PLA will challenge the Taiwanese to shoot first. If they do, then they can blame the DPP for triggering AR.

If the West protests. Then China can say: "Hey we wanted peaceful reunification all along. But those DPP terrorists started shooting 1st. So we just had to shoot back and get rid of them from office".
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I advance that some posts that I linked some colleagues on the forum have already posted, but as I had to read dozens of pages quickly to get to the last page, doing the work of deleting each post I saved will take more work and more time to separate, so , sorry for the duplication of posts.

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The aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan of the US Navy moved to the waters of the southeast of Taiwan along with the task force ship.

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The activity of Taiwan army warships in the northern areas

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This is how the Taiwan's airspace looks

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Per observers, USAF RC-135S Cobra Ball 61-2662 ARIEL59 heading back to Kadena AB in Okinawa Prefecture of Japan after flying near of PLA drills area

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Taiwanese military expert predicts strike from PLA during exercise:

1. PLA missile bases in N. p. Leping and Ganzhou (Jiangxi Province) are located 850 and 865 km from the closed area No. 4 off the east coast of Hualien. Ballistic missiles "Dongfeng-15" with a range of up to 1000 km can be used for the strike.

2. If the missile base in Danzhou (Hainan Province), located 1,450 km from Area No. 4, is used, China can use the Dongfeng-16 ballistic missile (BR) with a range of up to 1,500 km. The expert said that the PLA would not be so stupid as to use the Dongfeng-17 BR. Why? So that the Taiwanese Armed Forces do not remove the telemetry of the missile's flight using an early warning radar in the settlement. Leshan.

3. Closed area No. 4 for firing was probably chosen by China so that when missiles were launched from the above bases, they would fly over Taipei, Taichung and Kaohsiung. The goal is to test Taiwan's air defense system, trigger a "missile attack warning" text message, and "influence people's morale".

4. As for other closed areas located within 500 km from China, it is expected that they will be fired at from Type PCL191 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems. MLRS can be used to interfere with Taiwanese Navy patrols in the Taiwan Strait. The PLA can videotape MLRS launches and their fire impact on targets at sea for cognitive warfare.

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BREAKING - As a show of strength US Air & Naval forces will conduct a standard Transit through the Taiwan Strait in the coming days.

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NEC Spox John Kirby says the Ronald Reagan strike group will do maneuvers through the Taiwan straight as the course of normal operations in response to the Chinese aggression.

I don't know if it's still clear if CVN-76 will actually pass through the Taiwan Strait, some sources report that it will transit in a straight line near Taiwan.

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US Air Force RC-135V Rivet Joint [R135] is attempting a close approach to Chinese shores.

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Low flying Taiwanese AirForce jets over Taiwanese Mainland.

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Chinese paratroopers during a parachute exercise jump off from a Y20A tactical transport aircraft in northern Fujian province.

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Chinese jets including J-20, Su-30MKK, J-16 fighter jets, and the Xian Y-20 air tanker of the PLA Air Force were spotted over the provinces of Zhejiang and Fujian adjacent to the Taiwan Strait.

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Extensive Air monitoring ongoing by the USAF around Taiwan.

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Major Chinese Naval movement spotted around the Island of Taiwan.

Two Naval aircraft carriers of the PLA Navy "Shandong" and "Liaoning" will deploy to tactical positions one to the north and the other to south of the island of Taiwan.

In support PLA nuclear submarines will sail with aircraft carriers in the Bashi Strait and the East China sea.

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PLA Electronic Warfare Unit using a ASN-205 on its ECM version specially equipped to be used as an electronic jammer.

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China military drills in one of the world's busiest waterways have sparked a huge supply chain disruption.

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White House claims that the aircraft carrier strike group Ronald Reagan ordered to stay in the area of Taiwan and monitor the situation — Chinese television reports that the aircraft carrier withdrawn several hundred kilometers during the night

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White House National Security Council Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby announced on Aug. 4 that US military "will conduct standard air and maritime transits through the Taiwan Strait in the next few weeks".

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Another diagram illustrating the August 4 strikes by ballistic missiles of the 61 PLA Missile Forces Base on the closed areas around Taiwan.

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On August 5, a U-2S reconnaissance aircraft from the 5th reconnaissance squadron of the US Air Force from the Osan airbase (Republic of Korea) was spotted in the East China Sea to reckon the PLA exercise.

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The US military aircrafts involved in tracking the PLA exercise on August 5 are as follows:

4 tanker aircraft KS-135R;
1 reconnaissance aircraft U-2S;
1 RC-135S reconnaissance aircraft to track Chinese missile launches;
1 reconnaissance aircraft RC-135V;
3 patrol reconnaissance aircraft P-8A "Poseidon";
1 E-3G "Sentry" airborne early warning and control aircraft.

US aircraft are flying near the Chinese air defense identification zone over the East China Sea and the Philippine Sea.

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The Chinese Foreign Ministry officially stated that the strategic cooperation between China and Russia should be strengthened, and that the countries should cooperate more closely in the international arena.
That is exactly what was said before - Pelosi's provocative trip to Taiwan is objectively advantageous for Russia, because it obviously will push China to closer cooperation with Russia and destroy the hopes of those parts of the American establishment that opposed the policy of the Biden administration that was unleashing a war on two fronts and pushing China toward Russia.

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The main statements of the Chinese Foreign Ministry:

- China suspends dialogue with the United States at the level of regional military commands;

- China cancels working meetings with representatives of the US Department of Defense;

- China temporarily suspends cooperation with the United States in the field of combating illegal migration;

— China suspends cooperation with the United States in the fight against drugs;

— China suspends Sino-US talks on climate change;

- China suspends cooperation with the United States in the field of justice;

— China suspends cooperation with the United States in the fight against international crime.
 

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As part of an eight-day exercise in the direction of Taiwan, the PLA Eastern Command on August 5 used for the first time an 8-car medical train with a total capacity of at least 100 people. According to our assessment, the scenario of one of the stages of the exercise was the evacuation of the wounded from the "battlefield", the provision of first aid to them after the first two days of the armed confrontation between the PLA and the Taiwanese Armed Forces. Forces (conditionally). So the PLA command organized events in the event of actual hostilities in the Taiwan Strait to take the "300-x" to medical centers in China and provide medical assistance at subway stations in specially equipped wagons. Such measures make it possible to immediately dispatch soldiers to medical facilities, saving their lives and quickly putting them back into service.

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August 5 - the third day of the PLA exercises

in the morning they report that a signal was received on the PLA: Alert.

The People's Liberation Army of China sent a long-range UAV to the eastern waters of the island of Taiwan (the northwestern part of the Philippine Sea), navy and air force ships and aircraft crossed the "strait centerline". The next stage of the exercise is expected to be aircraft carrier support of the participating formations and joint sea and air battles to gain air and sea supremacy. It is assumed that on August 5, two PLA Navy aircraft carriers "Shandong" and "Liaoning" will be deployed in tactical positions - the north and south of the island of Taiwan, thus blocking the approach of the US Navy to the area. war condition. At the same time, PLA nuclear submarines will support aircraft carriers in the Bashi Strait and the East China Sea.

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The Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs has officially announced that it is necessary to strengthen strategic cooperation between China and the Russian Federation and that countries should cooperate more closely in the international arena.
What has actually been said earlier - Pelosi's provocative Taiwan trip is objectively beneficial to the Russian Federation as it will obviously push China towards closer cooperation with the Russian Federation and destroy the hopes of American establishment circles that opposed it. to Biden's policy. administration, triggering a 2-front war and pushing China towards Russia.

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American expert: Mainland China will use missiles in the future to take revenge on foreign dignitaries visiting Taiwan, which could become the new normal.

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Just in: China announces second round of drills around Taiwan.
Nancy Pelosi: the US will 'not allow' China to isolate Taiwan.

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Taiwanese fishermen said China's massive live fire exercise is creating a hostile environment in key fishing grounds and threatening fishermen's livelihoods.

The Taiwan Coast Guard urged fishermen to stay safe and stay in port. Radio Taiwan International

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Yesterday, many asked the question - why didn't Taiwan use the Patriot anti-aircraft missile system to shoot down China's ballistic missiles?

The first comments about it appeared:
1. The rocket launch takes place on the territory of China, then it gains acceleration and reaches a height of more than 100 km beyond the atmosphere, reaching the edge of space. The missile is said to be out of Taiwan's airspace and out of sight of Taiwan's air defenses at this time. Therefore, there is no crossing of airspace - there is no reaction, interception of missiles in space is excluded.
2. A single Patriot release is estimated at NT$50 million, while a Dongfeng release costs NT$20 million. Probably a hint that Taiwan has far too few missiles in its arsenal to waste them firing at the Chinese.

Diagram 1 shows the flight of a Chinese ballistic missile in red without entering the Taiwan air defense zone, in the second diagram - with the entry into the air defense zone.

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None of the East Asian countries, including Southeast Asia, except Japan, condemned the PLA's unprecedented, large-scale exercises around Taiwan. This is a warning sign for Washington.
 

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Before we all get too excited, never did John Kirby say anything about CV76 transiting the Strait:

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The precise language was:


To that end, Secretary Austin today has directed that the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan and the ships in her strike group will remain on station in the general area to monitor the situation.

We will conduct standard air and maritime transits through the Taiwan Strait in the next few weeks, consistent, again, with our longstanding approach to defending freedom of the seas and international law.

Pretty sure if they sent a Burke/Tico through it would be the end of it for now.
 

Barefoot

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Ok, so as reported by those brilliant posts by Suetham

If the US sails warships down the Taiwan Straight in a couple of weeks it will be a huge humiliation for China, right?

So that won't happen, right?
 
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